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16 Apr 21
Remember last Spring when the COVID deniers and minimizers on this board insisted that any type of lockdown measures would sharply increase suicide rates?
Well:
" From 2019 to 2020, deaths by suicide declined by 5.6%, from 47,511 to 44,834, per the CDC. It was the third consecutive year of decline.
Suicides went down in April and May of last year, a different trend than in years past, Farida Ahmad, health scientist at the National Center for Health Statistics, tells Axios."
https://www.axios.com/suicide-decreased-in-2020-pandemmic-mental-health-26196eaf-a245-4d21-85eb-eeb864a24449.html
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16 Apr 21
@no1marauder
Thank you for picking up on this.
I doubt that the people who claimed (@Eladar is coming to mind), that the number of suicides would be worse than the detahs from thepandemic will reply here.
16 Apr 21
@no1marauder saidIt’s hard to imagine that given the isolation of lockdown for some people there was not a rise in suicidal thoughts at least. Maybe a rise in that cause of suicide was offset by a drop in stress related suicides. Or perhaps the sense of community that can come from a universal existential threat played a part.
Remember last Spring when the COVID deniers and minimizers on this board insisted that any type of lockdown measures would sharply increase suicide rates?
Well:
" From 2019 to 2020, deaths by suicide declined by 5.6%, from 47,511 to 44,834, per the CDC. It was the third consecutive year of decline.
Suicides went down in April and May of last year, a different tre ...[text shortened]... -26196eaf-a245-4d21-85eb-eeb864a24449.html
Who wants to be first in line for some delicious crow?
Good news either way.
16 Apr 21
@no1marauder saidthis is the first pandemic that has been politicized. The state run democrat media will mislead you. get your info from experts in the field, not biased media outlets.
Remember last Spring when the COVID deniers and minimizers on this board insisted that any type of lockdown measures would sharply increase suicide rates?
Well:
" From 2019 to 2020, deaths by suicide declined by 5.6%, from 47,511 to 44,834, per the CDC. It was the third consecutive year of decline.
Suicides went down in April and May of last year, a different tre ...[text shortened]... -26196eaf-a245-4d21-85eb-eeb864a24449.html
Who wants to be first in line for some delicious crow?
“ "It usually takes the CDC two years to produce this data in a clean and rigorous fashion," she says, so we should keep in mind that the numbers are provisional and subject to change.”
https://www.verywellhealth.com/cdc-2020-suicide-rates-5120964
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@no1marauder saidThe deaths from suicide were in decline pre-pandemic ( for the last three years - during Trumps administration ) as the article points out. How did we do against projection is the real question that they did not care to go into? Saying it declined 5.6% could be quite misleading if we were projected to be at 40 k.
Remember last Spring when the COVID deniers and minimizers on this board insisted that any type of lockdown measures would sharply increase suicide rates?
Well:
" From 2019 to 2020, deaths by suicide declined by 5.6%, from 47,511 to 44,834, per the CDC. It was the third consecutive year of decline.
Suicides went down in April and May of last year, a different tre ...[text shortened]... -26196eaf-a245-4d21-85eb-eeb864a24449.html
Who wants to be first in line for some delicious crow?
Furthermore, from your own source:
Yes, but: The nation's mental health crisis is far from over, and experts are still concerned about the long-term effects isolation and economic turmoil will have on Americans' mental health.
"The general reaction is 'Great, but let’s not do what we did with opioids and see only a small decrease and claim victory," Benjamin Miller, chief strategy officer of Well Being Trust, tells Axios. Deaths of despair, he added, "are made up [of] not just suicide, but drug overdose deaths and alcohol deaths. Both of the latter two we know we are still on the rise."
Finally, like everything else we know about the pandemic, there are lagging effects to consider.
My conclusion: I think its a little premature to be dishing out crow. Crow is a dish best served cold, and this one is still in the oven.
@no1marauder saidYou moron.
Remember last Spring when the COVID deniers and minimizers on this board insisted that any type of lockdown measures would sharply increase suicide rates?
Well:
" From 2019 to 2020, deaths by suicide declined by 5.6%, from 47,511 to 44,834, per the CDC. It was the third consecutive year of decline.
Suicides went down in April and May of last year, a different tre ...[text shortened]... -26196eaf-a245-4d21-85eb-eeb864a24449.html
Who wants to be first in line for some delicious crow?
That was for the year 2019 before the pandemic.
Show us the suicide rate in 2020 after May.
@mott-the-hoople saidWhere do you learn your framing techniques?
this is the first pandemic that has been politicized. The state run democrat media will mislead you. get your info from experts in the field, not biased media outlets.
“ "It usually takes the CDC two years to produce this data in a clean and rigorous fashion," she says, so we should keep in mind that the numbers are provisional and subject to change.”
https://www.verywellhealth.com/cdc-2020-suicide-rates-5120964
@no1marauder saidWhile COVID is real and precautions need to be taken, it is completely false to think that mental suffering has not occurred due to isolation. I'm sure you'd agree that is really bad to get COVID even if you don't end up in a body bag. Similarly do not minimize the fact that many people have suffered greatly mentally from isolation and disruption of their lives, even if they don't end up killing themselves.
Remember last Spring when the COVID deniers and minimizers on this board insisted that any type of lockdown measures would sharply increase suicide rates?
Well:
" From 2019 to 2020, deaths by suicide declined by 5.6%, from 47,511 to 44,834, per the CDC. It was the third consecutive year of decline.
Suicides went down in April and May of last year, a different tre ...[text shortened]... -26196eaf-a245-4d21-85eb-eeb864a24449.html
Who wants to be first in line for some delicious crow?
@metal-brain saidLike I said, functionally illiterate.
You moron.
That was for the year 2019 before the pandemic.
Show us the suicide rate in 2020 after May.
16 Apr 21
@no1marauder saidyou got caught spreading your propaganda...move on
Like I said, functionally illiterate.
16 Apr 21
@joe-shmo saidNonsense. A specific prediction was made i.e. that IF lockouts were implemented and/or continued, the number of suicides in the US would rise sharply.
The deaths from suicide were in decline pre-pandemic ( for the last three years - during Trumps administration ) as the article points out. How did we do against projection is the real question that they did not care to go into? Saying it declined 5.6% could be quite misleading if we were projected to be at 40 k.
Furthermore, from your own source:
Yes, but ...[text shortened]... remature to be dishing out crow. Crow is a dish best served cold, and this one is still in the oven.
The prediction was wrong.
Therefore, those who made it or agreed with it should admit error.
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@no1marauder saidYou're acting like its an absurd proposition that economic turmoil should have positive correlation with mental health decline...It seems be an ongoing study. The experts in your own linked studies disagree with you about how suicide is the primary indicator. Lets see, ( as the experts suggest) how "accidental" death from substances abuse faired, and will continue moving forward as well.
Nonsense. A specific prediction was made i.e. that IF lockouts were implemented and/or continued, the number of suicides in the US would rise sharply.
The prediction was wrong.
Therefore, those who made it or agreed with it should admit error.
During the pandemic when one of my friends shot themselves, and another of them OD'd I consider them both suicide, but the CDC doesn't. They will be tallied differently, and I think we should see what happed in that category as well.