@quackquack said
The truth is that a $15 minimum wage is extreme so that if they settle on something more prudent everyone is better off. A party isn't incompetent just because they don't cater to the most radical people who support them.

If minimum wage kept up with inflation it would be over 20 bucks an hour.

@quackquack said
The truth is that a $15 minimum wage is extreme so that if they settle on something more prudent everyone is better off. A party isn't incompetent just because they don't cater to the most radical people who support them.

Apparently 59% to 67% of the American People are "radicals" who support "extreme" ideas:

"Regardless of the ruling, the idea of raising the minimum wage to $15 by 2025 from its current $7.25 is broadly popular, a Reuters/Ipsos poll found. Some 59% of respondents said they supported the idea, with 34% opposing it."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-minimum-wage/majority-of-americans-support-15-minimum-wage-reuters-ipsos-poll-shows-idUSKBN2AP2B9

"Two-thirds of Americans (67😵 support raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour,"

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/30/two-thirds-of-americans-favor-raising-federal-minimum-wage-to-15-an-hour/

@zahlanzi said
1. Democrats win power
2. Moderat(republican lite) democrats prevent any measures proposed by progressive democrats
3. Democrats lose power
4. Moderat democrats blame progressives for being too radical, unrealistic, childish, socialists etc.
5. Republicans win power and make the rich richer
6. GOTO 1


You are at step 2.


Bonus debate: What the fuk even is a parlamentarian

A bit of an overreaction to 6 weeks of the Biden Presidency.

The filibuster is going to have to go before serious reforms take place.

@sonhouse said
@Mott-The-Hoople
You are one sick SOB. Trump corrupted the entire government, putting in 'acting' chiefs and such BECAUSE he knew he didn't have to do that pesky senate confirmation. AND 4 members of his cabinet are under criminal charges, like the ex transportation secretary Chao, is charged with corruption, something like 11 instances.
And you want to cut down Obama.
Tr ...[text shortened]... h BTW, don't EVEN pull the ANTIFA did it, disguised as Trump supporters, that has been proven false.

do what? I didnt catch that the first time.

@no1marauder said
A bit of an overreaction to 6 weeks of the Biden Presidency.

The filibuster is going to have to go before serious reforms take place.

As far as i understand this wonderful process, going through budget reconciliation was precisely to avoid republicans filibustering.

It's always something, isn't it. "We don't control the senate" "Mitch won't let us do anything". "We need to be bipartisan". "Unity".

Sanders gave them a way forward. The same means through which republicans pushed for tax cuts for the wealthy, it's just that democrats are too corrupt to do anything against their donors' interests that is more than just a marginal improvement

@kevcvs57 said
I’m not really happy about a political party usurping the use of that very important description. You can be a democratic Republican or an undemocratic Republican, there seems to be more of the latter than the former since Trump lost the election.
So do we need another word to describe those who adhere to the process of democracy and its outcome.
I honestly think Democrat ...[text shortened]... enators etc.
Lol I’m not agreeing with Limbaugh, maybe it’s the way he spat it out like the N word.

Sorry my good man...but it's been called the Democratic Party for at least 150 years.

Rush Limbaugh had an adolescent fascination with verbal ugliness.

If we were to be as petty, we could lower ourselves to calling the GOP....the Gawp.

See what I mean? 🙂

@zahlanzi said
As far as i understand this wonderful process, going through budget reconciliation was precisely to avoid republicans filibustering.

It's always something, isn't it. "We don't control the senate" "Mitch won't let us do anything". "We need to be bipartisan". "Unity".

Sanders gave them a way forward. The same means through which republicans pushed for tax cuts for the ...[text shortened]... corrupt to do anything against their donors' interests that is more than just a marginal improvement

You don't understand the process if you think anything can be passed under reconciliation. The parliamentarian's ruling was technically correct and was widely expected.

Moreover, it's a bit premature to start screaming about how Democrats aren't getting anything done. The COVID bill, while imperfect, delivers major relief to many individuals and businesses and provides a needed boost of spending to the economy. There's still plenty of time to work for something like the minimum wage increase which wouldn't have fully went into effect until 2025 anyway.

A whole slew of Trump's destructive policies have already been dismantled. Things are moving in a positive direction as you can tell by all the whining being spewed by right wingers.

The post that was quoted here has been removed

Should give Voltaire his cred:

"The Holy Roman Empire is neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire."

Voltaire

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/voltaire_140970

@no1marauder said
Apparently 59% to 67% of the American People are "radicals" who support "extreme" ideas:

"Regardless of the ruling, the idea of raising the minimum wage to $15 by 2025 from its current $7.25 is broadly popular, a Reuters/Ipsos poll found. Some 59% of respondents said they supported the idea, with 34% opposing it."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-minimum-wage/ ...[text shortened]... h.org/fact-tank/2019/07/30/two-thirds-of-americans-favor-raising-federal-minimum-wage-to-15-an-hour/

It seems indisputable that more than doubling the minimum wage is a radical idea. The country would be far better off if they don't do it even if polls show that everyone wants a free handout until they have to pay for it.

@athousandyoung said
If minimum wage kept up with inflation it would be over 20 bucks an hour.

Ha! I wouldn't flip burgers for less than 30.

@quackquack said
It seems indisputable that more than doubling the minimum wage is a radical idea. The country would be far better off if they don't do it even if polls show that everyone wants a free handout until they have to pay for it.

It seems that you are the one with "extreme" and "radical" views in the United States 2021.

The Right has always been anti-democratic in service to the economic elite.

@wolfe63 said
Sorry my good man...but it's been called the Democratic Party for at least 150 years.

Rush Limbaugh had an adolescent fascination with verbal ugliness.

If we were to be as petty, we could lower ourselves to calling the GOP....the Gawp.

See what I mean? 🙂

The GOP should already be called the GOPQ.

Or maybe "Extremism R us"

@no1marauder said
You don't understand the process if you think anything can be passed under reconciliation. The parliamentarian's ruling was technically correct and was widely expected.

Moreover, it's a bit premature to start screaming about how Democrats aren't getting anything done. The COVID bill, while imperfect, delivers major relief to many individuals and businesses and provides ...[text shortened]... are moving in a positive direction as you can tell by all the whining being spewed by right wingers.

"You don't understand the process if you think anything can be passed under reconciliation."
It's a good thing i don't think that and never said that.

"Moreover, it's a bit premature to start screaming about how Democrats aren't getting anything done. "
I haven't said that either.

"There's still plenty of time to work for something like the minimum wage increase "
Only until the midterms. If they don't deliver on their promise or at least act like they have a pair and fight for them, they will lose a ton of independents and democrat voters who won't have the boogieman Trump as an incentive to show up to vote.

"A whole slew of Trump's destructive policies have already been dismantled. Things are moving in a positive direction as you can tell by all the whining being spewed by right wingers."
That means returning to the time right before Trump, which gave us Trump. Not nearly good enough.

@wolfe63 said
Sorry my good man...but it's been called the Democratic Party for at least 150 years.

Rush Limbaugh had an adolescent fascination with verbal ugliness.

If we were to be as petty, we could lower ourselves to calling the GOP....the Gawp.

See what I mean? 🙂

No offence, I’m not an American and to a non American Democratic Party is a usurpation of a global descriptor and gets even worse when you start labelling people democratic voters, all voters in a democracy are exercising their democratic rights.
The idea that not abiding by this confusing and slightly arrogant usage of the word by a political party puts you in the same category as Rush Limbaugh even though you’ve never listened to one of his shows is a bit overbearing.
So are members of this party to be referred to as Democratic’s?