The developing freedom in the middle-east

Originally posted by utherpendragon
thats not proof! prove they set up those regimes! I want links!

the cia,iran and operation ajax, 1953. look it up for yourself

Originally posted by StTito
the cia,iran and operation ajax, 1953. look it up for yourself

I am aware of that. I wanted Ms Androgyny to tell me that.A little tit for tat w/ the queen of mean,thats all.But,thanks

Originally posted by utherpendragon
I am aware of that. I wanted Ms Androgyny to tell me that.A little tit for tat w/ the queen of mean,thats all.

Well what a dag you've made of yourself in the process, eh?

Originally posted by utherpendragon
the west popping up nasty regimes? Prove this! Links,links,links!!!!

Another one too lazy to look up google?


Sigh...only becauue i'm feeling generous...

1. China - 1945 to 1960s: Was Mao Tse-tung just paranoid?
2. Italy - 1947-1948: Free elections, Hollywood style
3. Greece - 1947 to early 1950s: From cradle of democracy to client state
4. The Philippines - 1940s and 1950s: America's oldest colony
5. Korea - 1945-1953: Was it all that it appeared to be?
6. Albania - 1949-1953: The proper English spy
7. Eastern Europe - 1948-1956: Operation Splinter Factor
8. Germany - 1950s: Everything from juvenile delinquency to terrorism
9. Iran - 1953: Making it safe for the King of Kings
10. Guatemala - 1953-1954: While the world watched
11. Costa Rica - Mid-1950s: Trying to topple an ally - Part 1
12. Syria - 1956-1957: Purchasing a new government
13. Middle East - 1957-1958: The Eisenhower Doctrine claims another backyard for America
14. Indonesia - 1957-1958: War and pornography
15. Western Europe - 1950s and 1960s: Fronts within fronts within fronts
16. British Guiana - 1953-1964: The CIA's international labor mafia
17. Soviet Union - Late 1940s to 1960s: From spy planes to book publishing
18. Italy - 1950s to 1970s: Supporting the Cardinal's orphans and techno-fascism
19. Vietnam - 1950-1973: The Hearts and Minds Circus
20. Cambodia - 1955-1973: Prince Sihanouk walks the high-wire of neutralism
21. Laos - 1957-1973: L'Armée Clandestine
22. Haiti - 1959-1963: The Marines land, again
23. Guatemala - 1960: One good coup deserves another
24. France/Algeria - 1960s: L'état, c'est la CIA
25. Ecuador - 1960-1963: A text book of dirty tricks
26. The Congo - 1960-1964: The assassination of Patrice Lumumba
27. Brazil - 1961-1964: Introducing the marvelous new world of death squads
28. Peru - 1960-1965: Fort Bragg moves to the jungle
29. Dominican Republic - 1960-1966: Saving democracy from communism by getting rid of democracy
30. Cuba - 1959 to 1980s: The unforgivable revolution
31. Indonesia - 1965: Liquidating President Sukarno … and 500,000 others
East Timor - 1975: And 200,000 more
32. Ghana - 1966: Kwame Nkrumah steps out of line
33. Uruguay - 1964-1970: Torture -- as American as apple pie
34. Chile - 1964-1973: A hammer and sickle stamped on your child's forehead
35. Greece - 1964-1974:
36. Bolivia - 1964-1975: Tracking down Che Guevara in the land of coup d'etat
37. Guatemala - 1962 to 1980s: A less publicized "final solution"
38. Costa Rica - 1970-1971: Trying to topple an ally -- Part 2
39. Iraq - 1972-1975: Covert action should not be confused with missionary work
40. Australia - 1973-1975: Another free election bites the dust
41. Angola - 1975 to 1980s: The Great Powers Poker Game
42. Zaire - 1975-1978: Mobutu and the CIA, a marriage made in heaven
43. Jamaica - 1976-1980: Kissinger's ultimatum
44. Seychelles - 1979-1981: Yet another area of great strategic importance
45. Grenada - 1979-1984: Lying -- one of the few growth industries in Washington
46. Morocco - 1983: A video nasty
47. Suriname - 1982-1984: Once again, the Cuban bogeyman
48. Libya - 1981-1989: Ronald Reagan meets his match
49. Nicaragua - 1981-1990: Destabilization in slow motion
50. Panama - 1969-1991: Double-crossing our drug supplier
51. Bulgaria 1990/Albania 1991: Teaching communists what democracy is all about
52. Iraq - 1990-1991: Desert holocaust
53. Afghanistan - 1979-1992: America's Jihad
54. El Salvador - 1980-1994: Human rights, Washington style
55. Haiti - 1986-1994: Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?

Originally posted by uzless
Another one too lazy to look up google?


Sigh...only becauue i'm feeling generous...

1. China - 1945 to 1960s: Was Mao Tse-tung just paranoid?
2. Italy - 1947-1948: Free elections, Hollywood style
3. Greece - 1947 to early 1950s: From cradle of democracy to client state
4. The Philippines - 1940s and 1950s: America's oldest colony
5. Korea - 1 ...[text shortened]... Washington style
55. Haiti - 1986-1994: Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?

thanks,but i am quite aware of this info. It was a feeble attempt on my part to get FMF to get off of her lazy behind

Originally posted by utherpendragon
thanks,but i am quite aware of this info. It was a feeble attempt on my part to get FMF to get off of her lazy behind

Ah, well perhaps FMF will enjoy this video presentation of the interventions then....

YouTube

Originally posted by uzless
Ah, well perhaps FMF will enjoy this video presentation of the interventions then....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geQG0ptFaS0

Ha? No! Get away from me foul YouTube!

there can be no question , the U.S.A government is a very fickle friend!

Originally posted by Melanerpes
I agree - but if the people later elect NOT to have a "Muslim state", than they should have that as well without having to worry about the religious leaders calling on militias to attack anyone who disagrees.

In general, I believe that while separating religion from the state is important if democracy to work well, it's even more important if the relig ...[text shortened]... aders allow things to become stale, they can still use brute force to keep everyone in line.

Yes, that's true, but Musavi supports the theocracy almost as much as Mahmoud.

Originally posted by FMF
Saudi Arabia, Iraq till 1991, Iran in ths days of SAVAK and before, Egypt since forever, Jordan, Kuwait, other motley Gulf States. Nothing controversial about my comment. Always amuses me that those who fulminate about the shortcommings of "3rd grade history" have such a selective grasp of history themselves.

Egypt since forever

Nasser wasn't nasty!

Originally posted by FMF
Well what a dag you've made of yourself in the process, eh?

Do you seriously have to pollute this thread with your little girlfights?

get a room, send him a PM, whatever, debate or get out.

Originally posted by generalissimo
Do you seriously have to pollute this thread with your little girlfights?

get a room, send him a PM, whatever, debate or get out.

Talk about pollution.

I have been fully engaged with other posters on this thread. meanwhile you have been following me round the threads this evening (my time) hurling insults. Often teh same one over and over again.

Do you think sh76 was a wee bit guilty of airbrushing significant stuff from the history of the region by not mentioning the fact that the U.S., for decades and decades, propped up most of the wretched regimes that created the tragic need for "developing freedom"?

Originally posted by FMF
Talk about pollution.

I have been fully engaged with other posters on this thread. meanwhile you have been following me round the threads this evening (my time) hurling insults. Often teh same one over and over again.

Do you think sh76 was a wee bit guilty of airbrushing significant stuff from the history of the region by not mentioning the fact that the U ...[text shortened]... propped up most of the wretched regimes that created the tragic need for "developing freedom"?

Do you think sh76 was a wee bit guilty of airbrushing significant stuff from the history of the region by not mentioning the fact that the U.S., for decades and decades, propped up most of the wretched regimes that created the tragic need for "developing freedom"?

Well, the US has a history of helping regimes who they agree with, and that support their foreign policy, like afghanistan agaisnt the soviets.

However, they just used these groups they didn't impose something that was totally alien to them, the middle-east was never democratic, with or without american intervention.

Originally posted by generalissimo
[b]Do you think sh76 was a wee bit guilty of airbrushing significant stuff from the history of the region by not mentioning the fact that the U.S., for decades and decades, propped up most of the wretched regimes that created the tragic need for "developing freedom"?

Well, the US has a history of helping regimes who they agree with, and that sup ...[text shortened]... y alien to them, the middle-east was never democratic, with or without american intervention.[/b]

Did the U.S, or did it not, prop up authoritarian regimes in the region?