Originally posted by AThousandYoungThis is a nifty example of the dissembling language of apologism.
There's also the fact that "propping" is a vague term which is too easily used to imply and hint instead of clearly stating what is meant. How do you disprove "propping" up a government?
Massive cash transfers. Military hardware. Diplomatic cover. Intelligence sharing.
What's "vague" about it?
You appear to have "vague" feelings of guilt and embarrassment pro patria, for which reason you are mounting a "vague" defence.
"How do you disprove "propping" up a government?"
How about trying this: "Of course it's well known the US and other Western countries have been meddling in the Middle East for a long time but the one asserting anything specific has the burden of proof. There's also the fact that "propping" is a vague term which is too easily used to imply and hint instead of clearly stating what is meant. So, the jury's out. The accusation of "propping" up governments is disproved till I am convinced it's not "vague" anymore".
A tad vague perhaps but are you on board?
Originally posted by FMFYou implied before that the US propped up authoritatrian govts. in the region, and that these countries would have been democratic and free had the US not intervened.
Where have I claimed that the middle east's freedom deficit is "wholly" due to the U.S.? And my idea is that the U.S. is responsible for "every evil in the world", is it? This is self-peripheralizing barrel scraping type debating, of the most barrel scraping kind, genralissimo.
To what degree do you think the US should be blamed?
Originally posted by generalissimoI implied nothing of the sort. I said it straight out. Not even the U.S. denies it. Not even the U.S. claims that others "imply" it and do so incorrectly. It isn't controversial, generalissimo.
You implied before that the US propped up authoritatrian govts. in the region
Originally posted by generalissimoI think the U.S. shouild be blamed for its actions in the Middle East. Nothing more. Nothing less. To what degree? Well, harshly I say. Specifically for the harsh things it did. For lesser things the blame should be of a lesser degree.
To what degree do you think the US should be blamed?
Originally posted by FMFWas 9/11 not harsh? Or,did the U.S. have that coming as Obamas reverend of 25 years proposes?
I think the U.S. shouild be blamed for its actions in the Middle East. Nothing more. Nothing less. To what degree? Well, harshly I say. Specifically for the harsh things it did. For lesser things the blame should be of a lesser degree.