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Originally posted by joe beyser
I was wondering who squirted the vitriolic invective on here. Damn it, knock it off!!
I don't attempt to characterize my beliefs as "patriotism". My invective is aimed at extremists and the incorrigibly ignorant.

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It is not only patriotic to oppose our leaders for not abiding by their oaths but it is our responsibility. The constitution can't defend itself.

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Originally posted by FMF
You strike me as a complete disgrace to the concept of "patriotism", although I personally do not hold "patriotism" up as a virtue for the most part. Hijack or use a different English word. Call yourself a fanatic or an extremist or a fundamentalist or some shade of fascist (if my diagnosis is correct) - like a crypto-fascist or a neo-fascist. Whatever. But don ...[text shortened]... n things about your own country and countrymen make you incoherent and idiotic with rage.
Your diagnosis is incorrect as usual. I am a Patriot.

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Originally posted by joe beyser
It is not only patriotic to oppose our leaders for not abiding by their oaths but it is our responsibility. The constitution can't defend itself.
One has to subscribe to your 'Obama is another Hitler' theory to be a patriot? You are a standing joke. Your views on the constitution are of no practical relevence.

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Originally posted by FMF
One has to subscribe to your 'Obama is another Hitler' theory to be a patriot? You are a standing joke. Your views on the constitution are of no practical relevence.
I think you are some agent outside the United States getting paid fish heads for trying to derail any dissent on the web. You are failing.

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Originally posted by FMF
One has to subscribe to your 'Obama is another Hitler' theory to be a patriot? You are a standing joke. Your views on the constitution are of no practical relevence.
His views are very relevant. A Brit sitting in Indonesia is going to judge an american citizen on his views of the american constitution! Nice.

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Originally posted by joe beyser
I think you are some agent outside the United States getting paid fish heads for trying to derail any dissent on the web. You are failing.
Characterizing your own paranoid claptrap as 'dissent' is merely part and parcel of your self-derailling delusion.

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Originally posted by FMF
Characterizing your own paranoid claptrap as 'dissent' is merely part and parcel of your self-derailling delusion.
You could be right.

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Originally posted by utherpendragon
His views are very relevant. A Brit sitting in Indonesia is going to judge an american citizen on his views of the american constitution! Nice.
Ignorance and fanaticism are in abudance wherever one goes and the net brings yours all around the world and onto my screen. Before the net, your kind of daft parochialism had very short range and probably didn't bump up against too many people who were not tragically likeminded. Now it travels, and it gets chewed and spat out by people who come across it. You are now sliding inexorably towards a 'you can't talk about this because I said so" position.

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Originally posted by joe beyser
You could be right.
The only way our world views perhaps overlap is the possibility that my views on corporatism replacing democracy are in some way related to your concerns about NWO and the promotion of 'the interests of the citizens' that are not the interests of citizens. But the 'Obama is another Hitler' thing leaves me cold.

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Originally posted by FMF
The only way our world views perhaps overlap is the possibility that my views on corporatism replacing democracy are in some way related to your concerns about NWO and the promotion of 'the interests of the citizens' that are not the interests of citizens. But the 'Obama is another Hitler' thing leaves me cold.
Well lets forget Obama then. He isn't at the center of the problem anyway. I tried to tell you that but you got stuck on that. Do you think the United Nations should have power over sovereign nations?

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Originally posted by FMF
Ignorance and fanaticism are in abudance wherever one goes and the net brings yours all around the world and onto my screen. Before the net, your kind of daft parochialism had very short range and probably didn't bump up against too many people who were not tragically likeminded. Now it travels, and it gets chewed and spat out by people who come across it. You are now sliding inexorably towards a 'you can't talk about this because I said so" position.
You have that backwards again my androgynous spin doctor.With the help of the web your fanatical anti-american,anti-semetic,anti-christian,commie loving,"we are the world" views have been spread around like a foul stench now so more than ever.

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Originally posted by joe beyser
Well lets forget Obama then. He isn't at the center of the problem anyway. I tried to tell you that but you got stuck on that. Do you think the United Nations should have power over sovereign nations?
I would like to see "sovereign nations" deterred and/or sanctioned for certain kinds of international criminality.

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Originally posted by utherpendragon
your fanatical anti-american,anti-semetic,anti-christian,commie loving,"we are the world" views
Bravo, utherpendragon, bravo!

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Originally posted by FMF
I would like to see "sovereign nations" deterred and/or sanctioned for certain kinds of international criminality.
How do you feel about the UN having enough power to become a world governing head that dictates laws to the nations? Laws such as taxation, gun control, property ownership as just a few examples.