The Dutch Empire, Slavery, and Historical Memory

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You can talk about it, but most Dutch will just stare at you, nod and ask if you want to drink a beer.

The riches the Nethelands have now have far more to do with the harbours and Schiphol being major junctions in Europe than anything to do with the VOC.
Yes. The remnants of that time can be seen along “de grachten” of Rotterdam, Amsterdam, etc.
How many Dutch people do you think can afford to live in a “herenhuis”?
1.2 million a home, or thereabouts?

Like most European countries, the majority of immigrants are part of the working classes. Yes.
That’s got nothing to do with racism. That’s based on economics and who came to the country in which decade to do what.

And no, none of it excuses murdering people. I totally agree with that. But you cannot hold my daughter responsible for the deeds of somebody else’s great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather.

Or perhaps we should hold China responsible for building a wall which forced tribes to move West, which ultimately led to the fall of the Western Roman Empire, which led to the dark ages and the rise of Charlemagne and the creation of the Fra...

There you go. The Qin dynasty is to blame for the world’s racism.

@earl-of-trumps said
@shavixmir - said
There you go. The Qin dynasty is to blame for the world’s racism.

There ya go! Learn something new every day. I'll have to keep it in mind just who invented racism.

Ok, Ok, I do give the Chinese credit, though, they did invent F___ing.

You do know I was joking, don’t you?

@shavixmir said
You do know I was joking, don’t you?

you do know I was too, right?

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If you told us your mother tongue it would clear up a lot but you are deliberately avoiding those kind of specifics oh well

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No; I said my skin tone is similar to his; I didn't say I look like Blaine.

Maybe I should've said Ice-T:

https://www.biography.com/musician/ice-t

How Ice-T looks in *this* picture is my pretty much my skin tone.

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No. Shavixmir doesn’t.
Shavixmir says, quite categorically, that Dutch imperialism and murder was wrong.

And Shavixmir makes absolutely no connection between Dutch people not knowing or caring and that this would mean that the imperialism and murder was justified or acceptable by modern standards.

But, Shavixmir does point out that this has nothing to do with racism within modern Dutch society. And Shavixmir points out that Duchess ignores that part of the argument and keeps harping on at the same strings.

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That's not always the case with Asians, though.

The stereotype of the "Japanese business man" has a different perception from a Chinese businessman. In U.S. media, a "Japanese businessman" is usually portrayed as some kind of business power-player; one who wields a significant, nearly fearful amount of influence.

A "Chinese businessman" in U.S. media is usually portrayed as a small-time business owner; maybe someone who runs a restaurant or dry-cleaning business.

I know this isn't the case for older media; older portrayals of Asians in U.S. media all follow the same stereotypes of humble, wise, simple people. But in more recent American media, Japanese characters seem to be portrayed in more upscale ways. For example, one installment of the "Fast and Furious" franchise called "Tokyo Drift", all about expensive, decadent, high-performance cars, being driven by stylish and flashy Japanese men.

South Korea is getting a similar reputation to Japan, thanks to pop stars like BTS, Psy and others. But the same can't be said for people from Thailand or Vietnam, which U.S. media stereotypes in similar fashion to China.

So what specific nation your family hails from *can* make a difference. True; most Americans can't make such distinctions by looking at Asians; but where knowing which nation an Asians comes from can influence the perception of westerners.

Knowing what nation your family has roots in can make a difference regarding your claims of Asian racism; for example, posts about China can be held in a different light if a poster is Japanese or from Taiwan.

Regardless, why hide it? You're still posting anonymously from god-knows where.

@vivify said
No; I said my skin tone is similar to his; I didn't say I look like Blaine.

Maybe I should've said Ice-T:

https://www.biography.com/musician/ice-t

How Ice-T looks in the picture is my pretty much my skin tone.

Or Cornell West who Duchess64 likes to use as an example of a real Black American:

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Cornel_West#/media/File:Cornel_West_by_DW_Nance_5_(cropped2).jpg