The post that was quoted here has been removedAgain, you’re drawing comparisons where there are none to be made.
Everyone in Germany have family members who were directly influenced by Nazi Germany, or one generation removed from WW2. It took place on their own soil. Etc.
The VOC was hundreds of years ago and nobody in the Netherlands has any form of connection with it.
As for the imperialist attrocities committed by the Dutch, that was, as I’ve said, a small group of people in a far away land and a vast majority of Dutch people had nothing to do with it.
Or am I to hold current Chinese people responsible for the Dzungar genocide?
No. It would be completely ridiculous.
You can’t hold the current Chinese population responsible for what the Chinese did to the Mongolians hundreds of years ago.
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The post that was quoted here has been removedWhile it's probably true that the defendants in the Chin murder got off far too leniently, Duchy's description is highly inaccurate and simplistic.
It is, of course, ridiculous to claim that the defendants attempted to justify the murder because "they had thought that Vincent Chin was Japanese, and they blamed
him personally for unemployment among Detroit auto workers"; this was the prosecution's theory of the case (esp. in the federal trial), not the defense's which denied the defendant's used racial slurs. Nor was it simply a case where a couple of white guys just chased a random Asian guy down the street to beat him to death; the incident began as a barroom fight in which Chin threw the first punch and was almost certainly guilty of assault. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Vincent_Chin#cite_note-changeofvenue-27
Of course, that defense is dubious as the fight in the bar does not excuse Ebens and Nitz from pursuing Chin for some 20-30 minutes to gain revenge for it. Nonetheless, Duchy's characterization of what happened is grossly incomplete and somewhat misleading to say the least. And as she has been corrected regarding this event before on this Forum, it shows a certain level of dishonesty.
Naturally, this will provoke one of her never ending screeches about my supposed "racism" but getting the facts straight is a bit more important than avoiding her irrational, childish anger.
The post that was quoted here has been removedNo. I do not think the current German generation (most of them.. neo nazis excluded) are responsible for the attrocities of Nazi Germany.
They, themselves, are “busy” with it, for the reasons I mentioned. And these same reasons (actually the opposite) are why it’s not much of an issue in the Netherlands.
I do not excuse former Dutch imperialism.
I do not think the average Dutch person is racist.
I do think you’re singeling out one former colonial empire and foccusingnon history, when there are many examples of modern colonialism which you choose to ignore.
That’s fine, considering the OP, but nothing what I’ve written can be disregarded as untrue.
You have a bee in your bonnet and it’s pretty much racist.
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The speaker said:
Again, I believe that it's racist for people keep denying or lying about their
country's history of racism, even if they did not personally participate in it.
Riiiiiiight. So when is the speaker going to admit to China's open racism to Africans, Uyghurs, Tibetans and other minorities,
and to slavery and genocide of Uyghur people? The speaker, by his/her words must be a RACIST in denial.
PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT THROW STONES.
The post that was quoted here has been removedYour sympathy for Lily Chin does not justify you lying about the case; the defense was certainly not what you claimed it was and you should just admit it.
What the motivation for the killing was was an issue at trial that was hotly disputed. You have typically resolved it based on your own prejudices and preconceptions without actually studying the evidence that was brought before the jury. I have many times stated I would not substitute my own judgment based on news articles or internet stories over a jury's that hears all the evidence absent prejudicial legal errors by the presiding judge. I intend to stick to that position no matter how many times you hysterically call me a "racist" for showing your gross inaccuracies or simply for disagreeing with you.
That said, it is very unusual for a sentencing judge to give defendants probation for a manslaughter conviction.
The ultimate disposition of the case was in Federal Court and:
"A retrial was ordered and Ronald Ebens was acquitted of the final charge, with a Cincinnati jury finding no racial motivation in the killing of Vincent Chin."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Ebens#:~:text=On%20March%2016%2C%201983%2C%20after,in%20court%20costs%3B%20because%20Chin
I am not aware that Duchy had equal or more evidence in front of her than that jury.
@shavixmir saidIs the current Dutch government a direct continuation of the Dutch Republic of those times? The Chinese have had a significant revolution since then.
Again, you’re drawing comparisons where there are none to be made.
Everyone in Germany have family members who were directly influenced by Nazi Germany, or one generation removed from WW2. It took place on their own soil. Etc.
The VOC was hundreds of years ago and nobody in the Netherlands has any form of connection with it.
As for the imperialist attrocities committed ...[text shortened]... ent Chinese population responsible for what the Chinese did to the Mongolians hundreds of years ago.