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The end of the U.S. in NATO?

The end of the U.S. in NATO?

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@sonhouse said
Trump is a card carrying ASSSHOLE, he doesn't know CRAP about military strategy and all that and we NEED NATO, the best alliance in 60 years but OF COURSE you being a nice tame Trump Propagandist you will RE-PUKE out all the BS and outright lies of Trump, puking out crap every HOUR and then ten minutes later he doesn't even remember what he said earlier and he not able to ev ...[text shortened]... ve him infinite powers NOBODY can even arrest him right now because he is our GOD, is that about it?
I’ll get back to you


@moonbus said
The USSR never died in Putin's mind. He's trying to resurrect it. The Cold War never ended in Putin's mind; he's still trying to win it. Separating the USA off from NATO is one of his interim goals, and he's succeeding at it.
Putin ain't succeeding in chit.

This is Trump's design and I applaud him, He knows what's good for America


@AverageJoe1 said
I’ll get back to you
Sure, with more I LOVE MY LORD TRUMP and he can do no wrong because he is KING Trump WAY above the law and I LOVE the fact he owns DOJ, FBI, House, Senate AND SCOTUS.
Does that about cover it?


@sonhouse said
Sure, with more I LOVE MY LORD TRUMP and he can do no wrong because he is KING Trump WAY above the law and I LOVE the fact he owns DOJ, FBI, House, Senate AND SCOTUS.
Does that about cover it?
No you cover nothing

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@AverageJoe1 said
No you cover nothing
I guess you fully agree Trump has killed the voting rights act, well SCOTUS but he controls SCOTUS so it is HIS kill. And BTW, under Biden, Black unemployment was under 5% but now under your lord and master, Black unemployment is 7.5 % That is a 50% increase in unemployment because DIRECTLY of Trump who killed DEI and he also fired just about every black in high office. And said to his cabinet, Why can't we get immigrants from white countries like Norway, we don't want immigrants from those itshay hole countries, you know, the four letter word for poop. He just reiterated that vile sentiment today.
His policies are specific against blacks, killed housing equality act so blacks are finding it hard to buy homes even if they have the money.
I don't need to do links, the situation for blacks is now back to Jim Crow days.
Governor of Louisiana has just STOPPED elections, which is illegal.

SPECIFICALLY because SCOTUS killed the voting rights act, they are frothing at the mouth to get rid of ALL black congressmen, state AND fed so that is the very first effort after SCOTUS killed the voting rights act and don't EVEN go, WHAT you don't want voter ID?

There is NO way you can defend your sick asss POTUS, he is the most corrupt and racist POTUS since Woodrow Wilson who re-segregated federal water fountains, lunch rooms and went so far as to have screens put around blacks so the poor sensitive whitey working in the next desk didn't have to look at one of those sub humans.

Trump has just done the same thing again, re-segregating in the same way.

" In March 2025, the Trump administration removed an explicit ban on "segregated facilities"—such as restaurants, restrooms, and waiting rooms—for federal contractors. This action, taken by the General Services Administration (GSA), is part of a broader, executive order-driven initiative to eliminate Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) policies and affirmative action in federal contracting"

You go, NO NO NO, MY LORD IS NOT RACIST. And I bet you don't believe 70 % of the US population is against Trumps handling of the economy and BTW, I paid 4.39 for gas a few days ago now it is up to 4.50 in just a couple of days and Trump says ECONOMY BOOMING? More lies. What else is new.


@Earl-of-Trumps said
Putin ain't succeeding in chit.

This is Trump's design and I applaud him, He knows what's good for America
It's Trump's incompetence and it's stupid, alienating America's best and longest-standing allies.

Putin has succeeded in dividing the USA from Europe. A huge diplomatic divide now separates the USA from Europe. Trump threatened to invade Greenland and annex it by force, for Pete's sake! Imagine the outrage in America if France had threatened to invade and annex Guam or the Marshall Islands.

Trump is on record saying that the USA will not invoke Article Five if Russia invades a European country. Music to Putin's ears, gives him carte blanche to invade Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, The Czech Republic, Romania, knowing he won't have to face down America's nuclear retaliation.

Trump has on numerous occasions aligned himself with Putin's interests, not America's. Just look at the how he removed sanctions on Russian oil, after Iran closed the Strait. Music to Putin's ears again. And where's the peace within 24 hours Trump promised in Ukraine, eh? The longer that war drags on, the more it divides the USA from Europe and benefits Putin. Putin doesn't give a snot how many soldiers die on Ukrainian soil or how many tanks he loses, men and material are disposable to Putin--his main objective in Ukraine has already been achieved.


@vivify said
Use your head.

U.S. troops are stationed in Europe if they ever need to be mobilized immediately against Russia or some other enemy, instead of first flying across the Atlantic.
The handful of troops we station in Germany aren't going to fight Russia.

If we do go to direct war with Russia (and let's please hope that doesn't happen), the political leadup and planning and handwringing and media circus will take months.

We put troops in Germany in 1945 and forward because we were occupying a defeated enemy and because there was a real immediate threat from the USSR.

The troops stationed in Germany now are merely an anachronistic remenant.


moonbus,

I can't read this. you - like many liberals, have Trump and Putin tied at the hip, and I can;t go there.
Your supposition is nothing more than liberal dreams. Putin never drove the wedge between America and Europe,
Trump did that on his own.

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@sh76 said
The handful of troops we station in Germany aren't going to fight Russia.
Which is why the U.S. also has military bases across several European countries, and why the U.S. wouldn't be fighting alone. Germany is one part of a whole.


@Earl-of-Trumps said
moonbus,

I can't read this. you - like many liberals, have Trump and Putin tied at the hip, and I can;t go there.
Your supposition is nothing more than liberal dreams. Putin never drove the wedge between America and Europe,
Trump did that on his own.
You're ignoring the fact that two investigations found unimpeachable evidence that Putin's agents meddled in US presidential elections in favor of Trump, one of which was a bi-partisan Senate committee chaired by a Republican (so no one can claim it was was Lib smear job). Russian money funded several 'influencers' on social media who spread Trump-favorable lies.


@sh76 said
The handful of troops we station in Germany aren't going to fight Russia.

If we do go to direct war with Russia (and let's please hope that doesn't happen), the political leadup and planning and handwringing and media circus will take months.

We put troops in Germany in 1945 and forward because we were occupying a defeated enemy and because there was a real immediate threat from the USSR.

The troops stationed in Germany now are merely an anachronistic remenant.
Their presence is perhaps mostly symbolic, but the presence of US military installations, especially air bases, in Germany offers continuous logistical support in the event of a hot shooting war elsewhere in Europe. Nitwits, such as Hegseth, count bodies at the front; military men look a logistics: how to get ordinance and fuel up to the front.


@Earl-of-Trumps said
Putin ain't succeeding in chit.

This is Trump's design and I applaud him, He knows what's good for America
Blinded by the propaganda, as usual.


@AverageJoe1 said
It is not a matter of him, it is a matter of his policies. So now that you have named your choice, tell us what his policies are. what he has he told us about anything (but Trump.)
All you have to do is listen.

Hard to do with your head in the sand.


@Earl-of-Trumps said
Thank you. The USSR dissolved itself 33 years ago.

NATO is a money game. The US pays and Europe reaps the bennies.

SCREW NATO.
"Because Trump said so."

Sad.

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@vivify said
I speculated before that U.S. withdrawal could start a domino effect impacting the allegiance of other NATO allies.

Less than a month ago, NATO allies agreed to start spending 5 percent of their GDP to fund NATO, which went up from 2 percent. Having to spend more money on an alliance that no longer has one of the 3 superpowers also contributing may make other members thi ...[text shortened]... they could be influenced by Russia to also leave.

But we're a long way from full U.S. withdrawal.
If the European nations stay united and adjust without the USA, they could and would be as strong as any other super-power; they already are really.

Note, I totally disagree with pulling out of NATO. Putin, and others, are always on the move somewhere.