@sh76 saidSomewhat overstated? By the so called lame stream media right? It's a lot of hedging. Certainly it seems the restrictions were good enough to not make as many people sick as usual and cause this immunity gap you're talking about.
It's common sense that masking is going to decrease infections somewhat, even if their effectiveness is overstated. Cloth masks and even surgical masks that are not worn properly don't do much, but they do something. While schools are not big covid spreaders, they are huge flu and RSV spreaders and closing schools in the Fall of 2020 and the masking during that school year clear ...[text shortened]... ID infections, not COVID restrictions.===
That's possible, but I haven't seen any evidence of it.
@wildgrass saidGood point, the status of your analogy is under revision. Comparing the useless face rag to a water filter was a good idea. Look at what is required under your sink to give clean drinking water even though the water provided by the water Co is already safe to drink, see how it restricts the flow, imagine how slow it would be if it treated the water flowing in both directions. You drink a lot less than you breath so either make a virtual adjustment to your water filter or to the stupid face rag, use a factor of at least 50. Take your worthless face rag down to any inner city stream pour some of the water through it and drink the result, you'll be pouring brown water into your useless face rag and there'll be brown water coming out the bottom of it, you'll be drinking rat pyss, it might catch a few big lumps and the more it catches the less efficient it will become, eventually flowing out over the sides as per the gaps all around your stupid face rag when it's on your face and it hasn't been fit tested.
Saying something three times in all caps doesn't make it true.
It looks like one of the best analogies we've seen in a while.
ANALOGY PASS, ANALOGY PASS, ANALOGY PASS
@wajoma saidRight. My point was if COVID restrictions were useless then there would not be an immunity gap proposed by sh
Good point, the status of your analogy is under revision. Comparing the useless face rag to a water filter was a good idea. Look at what is required under your sink to give clean drinking water even though the water provided by the water Co is already safe to drink, see how it restricts the flow, imagine how slow it would be if it treated the water flowing in both directions. ...[text shortened]... ks like one of the best analogies we've seen in a while.
ANALOGY PASS, ANALOGY PASS, ANALOGY PASS
@wildgrass said1000% key-wrect
Right. My point was if COVID restrictions were useless then there would not be an immunity gap proposed by sh
The stupid face mask's only use was to define who the sheep were and allowed little hitlers and busybodies to get their control freak buzz on. They served well as child abuse and indoctrination through fear.
If those were your goals then WIN WIN WIN.
Since the benefits are so miniscule even when wearing a high quality mask and given the very rare occasions when good mask protocol was followed (Including, but not limited to: frequent fit tests, constant replacement, no fiddling, proper disposal)
Then the only thing to assess is the harm.
@wajoma saidAre we all in consensus then that the immunity gap is fake news? We can close the thread sh?
1000% key-wrect
The stupid face mask's only use was to define who the sheep were and allowed little hitlers and busybodies to get their control freak buzz on. They served well as child abuse and indoctrination through fear.
If those were your goals then WIN WIN WIN.
Since the benefits are so miniscule even when wearing a high quality mask and given the very rare oc ...[text shortened]... constant replacement, no fiddling, proper disposal)
Then the only thing to assess is the harm.
@wajoma saidHere's the deal. An N95 mask's filtering ability depends on certain physical properties of its material that are irreversibly altered at the microscopic level when it's submerged in water. This is why an N95 mask cannot be washed and cannot be worn for days on end, and also why brown water going into it will come out brown.*
Good point, the status of your analogy is under revision. Comparing the useless face rag to a water filter was a good idea. Look at what is required under your sink to give clean drinking water even though the water provided by the water Co is already safe to drink, see how it restricts the flow, imagine how slow it would be if it treated the water flowing in both directions. ...[text shortened]... ks like one of the best analogies we've seen in a while.
ANALOGY PASS, ANALOGY PASS, ANALOGY PASS
Now, you seem to spew the brownest of shit out your mouth all day long, so maybe a mask really is useless to your kind. But for Homo sapiens the principle of the N95 mask is sound. No one ever questioned their efficacy for decades until a particular virus that became politicized by the right came along, whereupon established science was deemed a leftist conspiracy almost overnight.
You really suck at analogies. You're duped by the oversimplified ones, and lose the plot with the more sophisticated ones. Truly, you are the flower of any junior high school's lowest quartile.
* Let's ignore for the moment that a lot of things smaller than a coronavirus can make water brown.
@sh76 said"It's common sense that masking is going to decrease infections somewhat, even if their effectiveness is overstated."
It's common sense that masking is going to decrease infections somewhat, even if their effectiveness is overstated. Cloth masks and even surgical masks that are not worn properly don't do much, but they do something. While schools are not big covid spreaders, they are huge flu and RSV spreaders and closing schools in the Fall of 2020 and the masking during that school year clear ...[text shortened]... ID infections, not COVID restrictions.===
That's possible, but I haven't seen any evidence of it.
Wrong. You just think that. Fauci told the truth the first time when he said they were ineffective.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/not-even-n95-masks-work-stop-covid
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M22-1966#.Y4Vu0QyBfBQ.twitter
The gene vaccines also kill people. It is time to stop scapegoating everything else.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/new-autopsy-report-reveals-those-who-died-suddenly-likely-killed-covid-vaccine/5802039
@soothfast saidWrong. You just think that. Fauci told the truth the first time when he said they were ineffective.
Here's the deal. An N95 mask's filtering ability depends on certain physical properties of its material that are irreversibly altered at the microscopic level when it's submerged in water. This is why an N95 mask cannot be washed and cannot be worn for days on end, and also why brown water going into it will come out brown.*
Now, you seem to spew the brownest of shit ...[text shortened]...
* Let's ignore for the moment that a lot of things smaller than a coronavirus can make water brown.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/not-even-n95-masks-work-stop-covid
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M22-1966#.Y4Vu0QyBfBQ.twitter
@soothfast saidSome people don't have to wear a mask to be identified as sheep.
Here's the deal. An N95 mask's filtering ability depends on certain physical properties of its material that are irreversibly altered at the microscopic level when it's submerged in water. This is why an N95 mask cannot be washed and cannot be worn for days on end, and also why brown water going into it will come out brown.*
Now, you seem to spew the brownest of shit ...[text shortened]...
* Let's ignore for the moment that a lot of things smaller than a coronavirus can make water brown.
@no1marauder saidThe World Health Organization and the World Economic Forum are both based in Switzerland which happened to be one of the few countries that did not enforce lockdowns and mask orders.
You are being disingenuous. You wanted studies that supported my claim that school in-person reopenings v. remote learning led to more cases and deaths in 2020; I provided three of them reaching that exact conclusion. The studies were not done to make recommendations regarding future actions; moreover, the one article have most talked about was published in October 2021, ...[text shortened]... stifies a substantial increase in deaths and cases due to a pandemic among an unvaccinated populace.
If lockdowns and mask orders were a good thing why didn't the people that imposed them on us impose them on themselves?
@wajoma said... people who are sheep don't know it.
Some people don't have to wear a mask to be identified as sheep.
Think about what motivates a politician to say something vs. a talkin head on tv vs, a scientist. Do you know what their motivations are for saying or writing these things? Whose words do you trust?
The sheep are not the mask wearers. The sheep are following words without solutions, people with bent motivations.
@metal-brain saidUhuh. Seriously dude.
"It's common sense that masking is going to decrease infections somewhat, even if their effectiveness is overstated."
Wrong. You just think that. Fauci told the truth the first time when he said they were ineffective.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/not-even-n95-masks-work-stop-covid
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M22-1966#.Y4Vu0QyBfBQ.twitter
Th ...[text shortened]... alresearch.ca/new-autopsy-report-reveals-those-who-died-suddenly-likely-killed-covid-vaccine/5802039
You have no idea what you are talking about.
This has been explained to you, in detail, so many times now, it’s just akward.
The corona vaccines do not change genes.
Gene vaccines do… that’s why they’re called gene vaccines.
And you, for some framing reason, have this muddled up and keep squirting it like a leaky balloon of pus.
You are not a virologist, you are not medically trained, you are not a laboratory worker, you know nobody in any of those fields, you oppose all common research and information that is offered you from all over the world and stick to madhatter right-wing conspiracy theories on this subject.
You think the whole world is lying except the idiotic sources you scour the web for which you think back up your sentiments; many of which absolutely don’t.
When this is pointed out to you, you scurry off down yet another side path.
And this has been said to you many, many times before. On very many subjects, including this one.
You are wrong.
That is the end of it. Sorry. Accept it and move on.
@metal-brain saidThey help the wearer from spreading the disease.
Wrong. You just think that. Fauci told the truth the first time when he said they were ineffective.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/not-even-n95-masks-work-stop-covid
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M22-1966#.Y4Vu0QyBfBQ.twitter
If you sneeze without a mask on or you sneeze with a mask on… just think about it for a bloody second…
There you go. One stops droplets more than the other.
Is it perfect protection? No.
Is it better than nothing? Yes.
So there you are.
@shavixmir saidThe rate at which your breath is expelled during a sneeze far exceeds even the ability of an N95 to process your exhale. The acting the ijit thing is real for you today.
They help the wearer from spreading the disease.
If you sneeze without a mask on or you sneeze with a mask on… just think about it for a bloody second…
There you go. One stops droplets more than the other.
Is it perfect protection? No.
Is it better than nothing? Yes.
So there you are.