The immunity gap

@sh76 said
First of all, schools were open in the Fall of 2020 in many states, in some areas of all states and in most countries, so it's not like we have to guess about some catastrophic hypothetical. In Europe, schools were open in the Fall and never shut, even when they did close the bars and whatnot.

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/13/934153674/lessons-from-europe-where-cases-are-rising ...[text shortened]... lly because they might be carrying a virus that they don't know about? Again, no limiting principle.

sh76: Somehow the school busses managed to drive around the dead bodies littering the streets.

What a hilarious comment from a COVID minimizer prick. You should try that line at your next cocktail party in front of people who buried one of their relatives because of the pandemic.

@wajoma said
A.K.A how to lie with statistics.

A lesson for No1, correlation does not equal causation.

Countries that adopted mask mandates soon after saw increases in covid cases. From this we can deduce masks increase the chances of contracting the wuflu

Or that increase in COVID causes increase in mask use. That makes more sense.

Let's try that with no1's stat.

The increase in COVID causes increase in school openings. No, that doesn't make sense.

@no1marauder said
I don't know where your crank site got his numbers from, but:

"Sweden has administered at least 22,674,504 doses of COVID vaccines so far. Assuming every person needs 2 doses, that’s enough to have vaccinated about 110.2% of the country’s population."

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/sweden/

Before getting ...[text shortened]... l dimension of the ongoing pandemic.." https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.12.21261825v1

https://newspunch.com/sweden-refused-lockdowns-kept-schools-open-and-was-rewarded-with-lowest-excess-mortality-in-the-world/

"During the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland recorded their highest monthly excess and all-cause mortality levels since the 1918 influenza pandemic"

That is only for the year 2020. That does not prove lives were saved. All that proves is that lockdowns delay the inevitable and cause damage. Your site cherry picked numbers from 1 year. What about the other years? DUH!

@metal-brain said
https://newspunch.com/sweden-refused-lockdowns-kept-schools-open-and-was-rewarded-with-lowest-excess-mortality-in-the-world/

"During the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland recorded their highest monthly excess and all-cause mortality levels since the 1918 influenza pandemic"

That is only for the year 2020. That does not prove lives were saved. ...[text shortened]... able and cause damage. Your site cherry picked numbers from 1 year. What about the other years? DUH!

Because 2020 is the only year Sweden's policies significantly varied from other European countries. After that, they got their People vaccinated.

And in that year, Sweden suffered a death toll per capita well above its smarter neighbors like Norway; about 20 times higher from May 2020 to the end of that year. https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

@no1marauder said
Because 2020 is the only year Sweden's policies significantly varied from other European countries. After that, they got their People vaccinated.

And in that year, Sweden suffered a death toll per capita well above its smarter neighbors like Norway; about 20 times higher from May 2020 to the end of that year. https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

All that proves is that lockdowns delay the inevitable and cause damage. Your site cherry picked numbers from 1 year. Now you are playing the vaccination card and you don't have any proof they save lives. Sweden has the lowest pandemic excess mortality rate in the world. You have been proven wrong. Sweden has a lower covid vaccination rate than the UK. Stop misleading people into thinking they had a higher vax rate than other European countries.

You are shamelessly propagandizing.

@no1marauder said
sh76: Somehow the school busses managed to drive around the dead bodies littering the streets.

What a hilarious comment from a COVID minimizer prick. You should try that line at your next cocktail party in front of people who buried one of their relatives because of the pandemic.

You, prick, need to acknowledge the costs of the measures you're an advocate for (including the fatalities and injuries from the seizure syrup), and acknowledge that you do not have a right to sacrifice others to your dream feeling state worshipping religion.

@metal-brain said
All that proves is that lockdowns delay the inevitable and cause damage. Your site cherry picked numbers from 1 year. Now you are playing the vaccination card and you don't have any proof they save lives.

Include all years since then or admit you are propagandizing.

No, I'm quite content with my argument which shows you are full of crap; the measures Sweden chose caused a much higher death toll as the stats clearly show.

I have no intention of arguing with your stupid anti-vaxxer views; any sane person knows the COVID vaccine saved lives.

@wajoma said
You, prick, need to acknowledge the costs of the measures you're an advocate for (including the fatalities and injuries from the seizure syrup), and acknowledge that you do not have a right to sacrifice others to your dream feeling state worshipping religion.

Keep at it, you raving nut.

I'm glad your country's leadership adopted policies that saved many lives despite lunatics like yourself.

@no1marauder said
No, I'm quite content with my argument which shows you are full of crap; the measures Sweden chose caused a much higher death toll as the stats clearly show.

I have no intention of arguing with your stupid anti-vaxxer views; any sane person knows the COVID vaccine saved lives.

Only for one year which is just you propagandizing. Sweden has the lowest pandemic excess mortality rate in the world. You have not claimed that is not true because it is and you know it. You have been proven wrong.

"any sane person knows the COVID vaccine saved lives."

You have no data to prove that except VAERS which you falsely claimed is an underestimate when the opposite is true. You dispute the only available data so you cannot possibly know that is true. In other words, you are lying. Stop lying.

Sweden has the lowest pandemic excess mortality rate in the world.

@no1marauder said
Keep at it, you raving nut.

I'm glad your country's leadership adopted policies that saved many lives despite lunatics like yourself.

Your ad hominem attacks give you away. You have lost the debate and just refuse to admit it. The only nut here is you for being unreasonably dogmatic. All you are doing is repeating the debunked lies you were told by big pharma and their tools.

@wajoma said
You, prick, need to acknowledge the costs of the measures you're an advocate for (including the fatalities and injuries from the seizure syrup), and acknowledge that you do not have a right to sacrifice others to your dream feeling state worshipping religion.

Yet a baby can be sacrificed to your whack job theories and outright lies

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/30/new-zealand-parents-refuse-use-of-vaccinated-blood-in-life-saving-surgery-on-baby?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

@no1marauder said
Another:

" Analyzing how an increase of COVID-19 cases is related to the timing of opening K–12 schools in the United States, we find that counties that opened K–12 schools with in-person learning experienced an increase in the growth rate of cases by 5 percentage points on average, controlling for a variety of policies, past infection rates, and other factors. This as ...[text shortened]... sk wearing is not mandated for staff at school."

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2103420118

This one you posted is the most informative, going county by county based on COVID policy.

But look at Figure 1 data. The number of cases per county increases with in person schools but it's delayed more than a month before you see any perceptible increases, suggesting other contributing factors. And the long term trend with masks is only very slightly better than remote. Regarding deaths, you can see at time 0, the day schools opened, that these numbers are already DOUBLE the rate in countries opening maskless in person. Before school started. There are rate increases in both groups. Again, this suggests other factors drive the trend. Capacity limits and masking rules at venues, restaurants, bars, etc. probably did a lot more, and these things were not essential services like schools are.

I am not with sh76 on masks, but the schools should have been open.

@kevcvs57 said
Yet a baby can be sacrificed to your whack job theories and outright lies

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/30/new-zealand-parents-refuse-use-of-vaccinated-blood-in-life-saving-surgery-on-baby?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I slapped kev down and all he can do is post the same lame link over and over.

@wajoma said
I slapped kev down and all he can do is post the same lame link over and over.

A rambling right wing conspiracy theory stream of consciousness spew does not qualify as a reply let alone a slap down wajoma, you couldn’t produce a slap down if you were standing over a wackamole board with a big mallet.
When you feel brazen enough to try and justify your part in this misinformation induced abomination you could come back to it

@wildgrass said
This one you posted is the most informative, going county by county based on COVID policy.

But look at Figure 1 data. The number of cases per county increases with in person schools but it's delayed more than a month before you see any perceptible increases, suggesting other contributing factors. And the long term trend with masks is only very slightly better than remote ...[text shortened]... al services like schools are.

I am not with sh76 on masks, but the schools should have been open.

That's a conclusion totally unjustified by the studies presented. All conclude that opening schools for in person learning in the middle of a deadly pandemic led to more cases and more deaths; a completely predictable and inevitable result.

Nor is in school learning "essential"; almost all schools that were physically closed continued to operate virtually. Many businesses and government agencies did the same.

I have not seen any reasonable cost benefit analysis making realistic assumptions that would justify the re-opening of schools in the midst of a deadly pandemic.