@beardmusic saidThe Bible is a living word, it speaks to each, in the direction needed at a certain stage of life/time and differently at another. You’re grasping and pulling what you think you need to prove a point, along with bouncing around from my point. You don’t know the hearts of every person nor what God decides at a certain time is needed. In many ways the world is the same and others very different, using presentism to make a point is grasping we all have a sin nature. Revelations.
@mike69
Fair enough. However, the idea that the historical Jesus would have stood behind economic and military power (as opposed to challenging and confronting them) stretches believability. Therefore, although the term is anachronistic he would presumably have stood by traditional 'left-wing' ideas such as concern for the weakest members of society and against militarism.
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@mike69
I'm not bouncing around your point, I'm making a statement based upon written records - a point that (obviously) you have chosen to completely ignore as it poses (presumably as Jesus intended) some extremely awkward questions. I agree that my perspective is only subjective but then again so is everyone else's, it is only by empathy and humility that we can hope to break through that particular impasse (again as all great religious teachers advocate) but we are a long way from that today!
@beardmusic saidWhat was my point when you jumped in? On your cherry picked points looking through rose colored glasses you might look up who gives the most and look through the forums and country on who’s calling for violence and hate being put forward. You say these things while putting no substance out there or looking beyond your nose. Rather than judging tell me what you see wrong with the left liberals?
@mike69
I'm not bouncing around your point, I'm making a statement based upon written records - a point that (obviously) you have chosen to completely ignore as it poses (presumably as Jesus intended) some extremely awkward questions. I agree that my perspective is only subjective but then again so is everyone else's, it is only by empathy and humility that we can hope to ...[text shortened]... ular impasse (again as all great religious teachers advocate) but we are a long way from that today!
@beardmusic saidWell then since your not going to answer any questions and just want to dance while blindly choosing a side and not Gods word we have nothing left to discuss.
@mike69
I have tried to make up for my 'lack of substance' (subjectivity) by pointing out the need for empathy and humility. As regards 'left-liberals' I have no problem (in general) at all with them.
@beardmusic saidYou can be concerned with the weakest members of society, without condemning strong governments or use of the military. Both can be done simultaneously. Jesus could have cured all the sick and fed all the poor but he did not. Remember he said Render unto Ceasar .. "
@mike69
Fair enough. However, the idea that the historical Jesus would have stood behind economic and military power (as opposed to challenging and confronting them) stretches believability. Therefore, although the term is anachronistic he would presumably have stood by traditional 'left-wing' ideas such as concern for the weakest members of society and against militarism.
The statement that Jesus was left-wing is nonsense.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidAsk your pet squeaker of the house Johnson what HE would do if he had real power, since he wants to Irianize the US, Christian nationalist version.
Spend a week in Afghanistan and get back to us on that insane claim.
Christianity as the state religion, but not just any old Christian doctrine, HIS version of Christianity and SCREW all others. He all but froths at the mouth just thinking of making the US a Christian nationalist nation.
@beardmusic saidPowerful nations have been used by God throughout the ages. God could have destroyed them but he did not. They were used to get stuff done. People who were lazy, refused to work or who did not contribute to their family life or society were condemned. The attitude of the left-leaning people does not conform to Christian ideals as laid out in the bible.
@mike69
Fair enough. However, the idea that the historical Jesus would have stood behind economic and military power (as opposed to challenging and confronting them) stretches believability. Therefore, although the term is anachronistic he would presumably have stood by traditional 'left-wing' ideas such as concern for the weakest members of society and against militarism.
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@Rajk999
Of course it is anachronistic to speak of 'left-wing' ideas when referring to people from thousands of years ago. However, (cherry-picked quotes aside - quotes that were probably added decades later, but that is another issue entirely) the basic message of Jesus was not 'making money' and 'increasing power' but concern for the poor (via empathy) and humility.
@beardmusic saidThe poor was just one of the many things Jesus preached. Left-wing ideogies have been around from the start of the world. There is nothing new about it. There were many groups of rebels who were against the Roman military. Jesus never joined, participated, supported or even spoke of them favorably. So your notion that Jesus was anti these things are way off.
@Rajk999
Of course it is anachronistic to speak of 'left-wing' ideas when referring to people from thousands of years ago. However, (cherry-picked quotes aside - quotes that were probably added decades later, but that is another issue entirely) the basic message of Jesus was not 'making money' and 'increasing power' but concern for the poor (via empathy) and humility.
Regarding the rich, the only problem with the rich is if they become obsessed with riches and worldly things. Apart from that God is fine with rich people. Many rich people in the US help and assist the poor all the time. This is in keeping with the commandments of God. Many of the great men of old, kings and leaders were rich landowners. Its not a problem at all for God. There is no requirement for people to sell all that they have, give it to the poor and then become poor and needy themselves. This is another of your misinterpretation of the teachings of Christ. Jesus said IF YOU WANT TO BE PERFECT, then sell all you have and give it to the poor. God does not expect anyone to do that.
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@Rajk999
Although I myself am not personally religious in the traditional sense, I find it difficult to swallow the notion that you 'know' what God wants/ approves of. This is simply not possible and is merely your particular (subjective) opinion/ projection regarding an absolute (objective) entity. Regarding Jesus' views on power, once again, cherry-picking quotes (that were in all likelihood added decades later) that appear to buttress power surely go against the clear (general) tenor of His message of empathy, humility and peace.
@mike69 saidAgain, you are just like the fake Christian in the White House right now.
Well then since your not going to answer any questions and just want to dance while blindly choosing a side and not Gods word we have nothing left to discuss.
You both bristle at calls for empathy and humility.
Christians have no problem with either.
@Rajk999 saidThanks for giving more fuel to the idea that you have zero idea what you're talking about.
You can be concerned with the weakest members of society, without condemning strong governments or use of the military. Both can be done simultaneously. Jesus could have cured all the sick and fed all the poor but he did not. Remember he said Render unto Ceasar .. "
The statement that Jesus was left-wing is nonsense.