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The iranian threat is real. Who can stop it.

The iranian threat is real. Who can stop it.

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@AverageJoe1 said
A reasonable synopsis. Yes, Trump did jump in during first term, immediiately recognized what Iran was all about, and trimmed their sails. What Obama did, it reminds me of Jimmy Carter giving the Panama Canal away,... these 2 very weak men made decisions hard to fathom by those who are not weak.
I hope it is not too late to exhibit huge strength,.. to display that we intend to remain the greatest of al countries. Can't be jellyfish if we want to maintain it.
You can't be raging assholes and maintain it, either.


@Rajk999 said
Regarding terrorism, it is never too late to take a hard line. On this issue Im with Trump. Also people should not be allowed free speech to the point where they support those who want to kill Americans.

There are many other things he is doing that are stupid, but thats another topic.
You would bow down and worship anyone who managed to complete a total genocide of the Palestinian people and/or all Muslims.

This is one of his more "stupid things".


@Suzianne said
Name a country destroyed in the name of Islam.
Afghanistan.


@Cliff-Mashburn said
Afghanistan.
Here is a more comprehensive list from Perplexity AI.

Several countries have experienced significant suffering under Islamic rule or due to violent Islamist extremism, both historically and in recent decades. The nature of this suffering has ranged from military conquest and loss of sovereignty to civil war, terrorism, and persecution of religious or ethnic minorities. Here is a summary based on historical and contemporary evidence:

Historical Suffering Under Islamic Rule
Byzantine and Sasanian Empires: The early Muslim conquests of the 7th and 8th centuries led to the collapse of the Sasanian Empire and major territorial losses for the Byzantine Empire. These conquests resulted in dramatic political, social, and religious changes for the conquered populations, including changes in governance, language, and law.

Iberian Peninsula (Spain and Portugal): The Muslim conquest of Iberia in the 8th century replaced Christian rule with Islamic governance for several centuries, leading to profound cultural and religious transformation.

North Africa and the Middle East: Indigenous populations in North Africa and the Middle East experienced Arabization and Islamization following the conquests, which often involved military campaigns, population displacement, and changes to local customs and religions.

Modern Suffering Due to Violent Islamist Extremism
According to global extremism monitors and conflict research, the following countries have suffered most from violent Islamist extremism in recent years:

CountryNature of Suffering
SyriaCivil war, mass killings, terrorism, and sectarian violence.
IraqSectarian conflict, ISIS occupation, terrorist attacks.
AfghanistanTaliban rule, ongoing insurgency, civilian casualties.
SomaliaAl-Shabaab insurgency, terror attacks, instability.
NigeriaBoko Haram insurgency, mass abductions, violence.
YemenCivil war, Houthi insurgency, humanitarian crisis.
MaliIslamist insurgency, displacement, violence.
EgyptTerror attacks, Sinai insurgency.
LibyaCivil conflict, ISIS and other Islamist groups.
PakistanTerrorism, sectarian violence.
Muslims themselves are often the primary victims of violent Islamist extremism, with the majority of attacks and fatalities occurring in Muslim-majority countries.

Persecution of Religious Minorities
In some Muslim-majority countries, apostasy and blasphemy laws have led to the persecution of Christians, atheists, and other minorities. Countries where apostasy from Islam is a capital offense include Sudan, Afghanistan, Brunei, Mauritania, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, among others.

Summary
Countries that have suffered under Islam, whether through historical conquest or modern violent extremism, include:

Syria
Iraq
Afghanistan
Somalia
Nigeria
Yemen
Mali
Egypt
Libya
Pakistan
Regions of the former Byzantine and Sasanian Empires
Iberian Peninsula (historically)
North Africa and the Middle East (historically)

The suffering has taken many forms, from political and cultural upheaval in the wake of conquest, to modern-day terrorism, civil war, and persecution of minorities.


@no1marauder said
Rajk: No other Arab mid-east state has a nuclear programme.

You remain consistently ignorant of what's happening in the real world.

The United Arab Emirates has an operating nuclear plant with four reactors compared to Iran's one that has been operational since 2019.

Saudi Arabia has announced plans to develop nuclear power plants with three times the capacity o ...[text shortened]... ump cancelled US participation. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Joint-Comprehensive-Plan-of-Action
Have a read of this report from IAEA. This is around the time Trump withdrew from the JCPOS. Preliminary reports suggested that Iran was complying but when the UN inspectors digged deeper they found irregularities. In 2018, the IAEA began to investigate evidence that Iran failed to declare all of its nuclear materials and activities as legally required under its safeguards agreement with the agency.

Here are the details :

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/iaea-investigations-irans-nuclear-activities#investigation

The full text of the "road-map for the clarification of past and present outstanding issues regarding Iran’s nuclear program" is available here. Highlights of the IAEA's findings in each of the 12 areas are below:

Program management structure: The IAEA assessed that, prior to 2003, Iran had an organized structure “suitable for the coordination of a range of activities relevant” to nuclear weapons design. The activities that continued beyond 2003 were not a coordinated program.

Procurement activities: The IAEA had “indications” that Tehran attempted to purchase items relevant to developing a nuclear weapon prior to 2007 and information that Iran purchased materials for its fuel cycle activities through companies not affiliated with the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran. Iran admitted to looking into procuring a high-speed camera for conventional purposes but said it ultimately did not do so.

Nuclear material acquisition: The IAEA assessed that the Gchine uranium mine, previously thought to be a potential source of uranium for undeclared nuclear activities between 2000-2003, would not have produced any substantial amounts of nuclear material before 2006. The IAEA found that the activities at the mine were consistent with Iran’s explanations and declarations. Overall, the IAEA assessed that “any quantity of nuclear material” that would have been available for the nuclear weapons development program “would have been within the uncertainties associated with nuclear material accountancy and related measurements.”

Nuclear components for an explosive device: The IAEA had evidence that Tehran had access to documentation on the conversion of uranium compounds to uranium metal, which is part of the weaponization process, and made progress on reducing a uranium compound into a metal form. Tehran denied that it conducted any metallurgical work for weapons purposes. The IAEA’s final assessment found no indication of Iran conducting activities related to the uranium metal document.

Detonator development: The IAEA assessed that Iran’s work on explosive bridge wire detonators has “characteristics relevant to a nuclear explosive device.” The agency found that some of Iran’s explanations, that the detonators were developed as a safer alternative because of explosive accidents, were “inconsistent” and “unrelated” to the IAEA’s timeframe for detonator development.

Initiation of high explosives and associated experiments: Iran admitted to the IAEA in August and September 2015 that it conducted work on certain types of explosives, but had a “technical requirement for the development” of multipoint initiation explosive technology for conventional weaponry. The IAEA noted that there are non-nuclear weapons applications for the development, but assessed that the work was “relevant to a nuclear explosive device.”

Hydrodynamic experiments: As part of its investigation over the past several months, IAEA officials were able to visit Parchin, a military site where the agency suspected that Tehran conducted hydrodynamic tests in an explosive chamber. Since the IAEA requested access in 2012, Iran conducted extensive construction and renovations. Tehran said in September 2015 discussions with the IAEA that one of the main buildings in question was used for storing chemicals for the production of explosives. An environmental sampling at the site found “chemically man-made particles of uranium” but did not indicate that it was used for long-term storage of chemicals as Iran claimed. The IAEA assessed that its satellite imagery analysis and environmental sampling “does not support Iran’s statements on the purpose of the building” and that Iran’s activities at the site impeded the agency’s investigation. The IAEA did not draw a definite assessment as to what occurred at Parchin.

Modeling and calculations: The IAEA assessed that Iran conducted modeling and calculations related to nuclear explosive configurations prior to 2004 and between 2005-2009. During the agency’s investigation between August-October 2015, Iran maintained that it was not in a position to discuss its work on hydrodynamic modeling because it was for conventional military purposes and not an IAEA concern. The IAEA noted in its report that there are conventional applications for such modeling and that the calculations derived from the modeling were incomplete and fragmented, but assessed overall that Iran conducted computer modeling of a nuclear explosive device between 2005-2009.

Neutron initiator: The IAEA’s evidence indicated that Iran continued work on neutron initiators after 2004, although the agency assessed prior to the July 2015 agreement with Iran that some of the indicators that Iran undertook work on generating neutrons through shock-compression were “weaker than previously considered.” Iran provided the IAEA with information about its neutron research and let the IAEA visit a research intuition in October 2015. Iran maintained that its research in the area was not related to “shock-driven neutron sources.”

Conducting a test: The IAEA noted it has not received any additional information regarding Tehran's plans to conduct a nuclear test since its November 2011 report. The IAEA noted in the November 2011 report that Iran may have undertaken “preparatory experimentation” relevant to a nuclear weapons explosive device and obtained a document on the safety arrangements for explosive nuclear testing.

Integration into a missile delivery vehicle: The IAEA assessed that two of the workshops it identified in 2011 as producing components and mock-up parts for engineering of a Shahab-3 (Iran’s medium-range ballistic missile) re-entry vehicle for a nuclear warhead exist and that the capabilities are “consistent with those described” in documentation provided to the agency on Tehran’s work on a re-entry vehicle.

Fuzing, arming, and firing system: The IAEA report noted in the Final Assessment report that it had not received any new information since the November 2011 report on development of a prototype firing system for a Shahab-3 payload that would allow the missile’s payload to safely re-enter the atmosphere and then explode above a target or upon impact.


@no1marauder said
You guys are a bunch of easily frightened children looking for a Big Daddy to protect you from the monsters in the closet and under the bed.
Most of the people in these countries that have suffered under Islam, whether through historical conquest or modern violent extremism, will strongly disagree with you ...

Syria
Iraq
Afghanistan
Somalia
Nigeria
Yemen
Mali
Egypt
Libya
Pakistan
Regions of the former Byzantine and Sasanian Empires
Iberian Peninsula (historically)
North Africa and the Middle East (historically)

Christians are currently being beheaded in the Democratic Republic of Congo. I guess if they could talk they will also disagree.


@Rajk999
I like how women that get raped are charged with a crime if they can't supply two male witnesses to back up their claim.
If they can't, they go to prison for adultery or get stoned to death, depending on the whim of the Sharia judge.
What a charming religion.
(Waiting for someone to bring up the Crusades now)


@Cliff-Mashburn

Iran is no threat to the world. The threat is from Russia.


@spruce112358 said
@Cliff-Mashburn

Iran is no threat to the world. The threat is from Russia.
Iran is a threat to themselves. One false move and Israel will finish them in a worse fashion than Gaza.


@Cliff-Mashburn said
@Rajk999
I like how women that get raped are charged with a crime if they can't supply two male witnesses to back up their claim.
If they can't, they go to prison for adultery or get stoned to death, depending on the whim of the Sharia judge.
What a charming religion.
(Waiting for someone to bring up the Crusades now)
Four witnesses I think it is.
Disgusting religion.
Only supported by equally disgusting people.


@no1marauder said
You guys are a bunch of easily frightened children looking for a Big Daddy to protect you from the monsters in the closet and under the bed.
Quran 2:191......
"And kill them wherever you find them"
Talking about non-believers like you, dummy....and your kids....your grandkids.....anyone that's not Muslim.


@Cliff-Mashburn said
Quran 2:191......
"And kill them wherever you find them"
Talking about non-believers like you, dummy....and your kids....your grandkids.....anyone that's not Muslim.
He is a Muslim parading as an atheist. That name marauder was used extensively to refer to Muslims attacking nonmuslims throughout the ages. So he has no fear of them.


@Rajk999 said
He is a Muslim parading as an atheist. That name marauder was used extensively to refer to Muslims attacking nonmuslims throughout the ages. So he has no fear of them.
LMAO! Marauders was the name of my softball team 30+ years ago.

You really are a deranged conspiracy nut.


@no1marauder said
LMAO! Marauders was the name of my softball team 30+ years ago.

You really are a deranged conspiracy nut.
now explain "courtly"


@Mott-The-Hoople said
now explain "courtly"
Another ridiculous conspiracy nut heard from.

Never used such a tag.

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