@beardmusic said"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.” ~ Martin Luther King Jr.
@mike69
I'm not bouncing around your point, I'm making a statement based upon written records - a point that (obviously) you have chosen to completely ignore as it poses (presumably as Jesus intended) some extremely awkward questions. I agree that my perspective is only subjective but then again so is everyone else's, it is only by empathy and humility that we can hope to ...[text shortened]... ular impasse (again as all great religious teachers advocate) but we are a long way from that today!
@Rajk999 saidThis is one of the more outrageous things I've heard from the mouth of a supposed Christian. One totally unfamiliar with Jesus, the Christ.
Powerful nations have been used by God throughout the ages. God could have destroyed them but he did not. They were used to get stuff done. People who were lazy, refused to work or who did not contribute to their family life or society were condemned. The attitude of the left-leaning people does not conform to Christian ideals as laid out in the bible.
@Rajk999 saidI don't want to buy YOUR Bible.
The poor was just one of the many things Jesus preached. Left-wing ideogies have been around from the start of the world. There is nothing new about it. There were many groups of rebels who were against the Roman military. Jesus never joined, participated, supported or even spoke of them favorably. So your notion that Jesus was anti these things are way off.
Regarding ...[text shortened]... BE PERFECT, then sell all you have and give it to the poor. God does not expect anyone to do that.
Your ministry is evil.
@beardmusic saidRajk is about none of those things, as I'm sure you've figured out.
@Rajk999
Although I myself am not personally religious in the traditional sense, I find it difficult to swallow the notion that you 'know' what God wants/ approves of. This is simply not possible and is merely your particular (subjective) opinion/ projection regarding an absolute (objective) entity. Regarding Jesus' views on power, once again, cherry-picking quotes (that ...[text shortened]... ess power surely go against the clear (general) tenor of His message of empathy, humility and peace.
@beardmusic saidWhat God wants and approves of is clearly stated in the Bible. If you do not read it then obviously you wont be able to swallow what God said. You are the one raising issues and when I respond with what the Bible says you call it 'cherry picking'.
@Rajk999
Although I myself am not personally religious in the traditional sense, I find it difficult to swallow the notion that you 'know' what God wants/ approves of. This is simply not possible and is merely your particular (subjective) opinion/ projection regarding an absolute (objective) entity. Regarding Jesus' views on power, once again, cherry-picking quotes (that ...[text shortened]... ess power surely go against the clear (general) tenor of His message of empathy, humility and peace.
The bible has all kinds of stuff about the poor, but condemning the powerful, landowners who are producing and creating employment is not in the bible.
You are mistaken. God and Christ are not leftists.
@Suzianne saidI have more in my pinkie than you and your self created, one sided hate filled love and faith. I’m curious, how do you justify yourself and perverse nature of sleeping with either sex and lifestyle? Did God make a mistake when he created man and woman and reproduction to carry on? Hoe do you as a Christian balance his feelings on this put in the Bible? How do you think he feels about the pushing of this lifestyle on children and redefining a woman.
Again, you are just like the fake Christian in the White House right now.
You both bristle at calls for empathy and humility.
Christians have no problem with either.
@beardmusic saidYou seem to have an issue with being wrong and being passive aggressive. Where does John 3 16 come in for you and building a personal relationship, do you have one?
@Rajk999
I haven't 'condemned' anyone to anything - once again this is simply your projection as you condemn my statements with the 'certainty' that you (incorrectly) suppose you possess by treating your own subjectivity as an objective 'fact.'
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@mike69
Of course I do - I've been in the same relationship for over 24 years! As I said to you earlier (and you ignored) we as individuals cannot know the 'whole truth' (the absolute) therefore we need empathy and humility (the point of view of others) to help us attempt such understanding. There is your narrow minded bigot who has a 'problem' being 'wrong...
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@beardmusic saidHere is what you said earller about Jesus ... he would presumably have stood by traditional 'left-wing' ideas such as concern for the weakest members of society..
@Rajk999
I haven't 'condemned' anyone to anything - once again this is simply your projection as you condemn my statements with the 'certainty' that you (incorrectly) suppose you possess by treating your own subjectivity as an objective 'fact.'
The implication here is that the right-wing do not have concern for these people, which is incorrect. The Bible and Jesus as well would have condemned these groups of people
- sexually immoral ie the entire LGBTQ ++ community
- those who promote feminism and equality between the sexes [the man is above the woman in the bible]
- those who refuse to work and instead live off the state
I can go on about the things supported by the left leaning people which are condemned in the Bible.
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@Rajk999
Fair enough, but absent your above analysis is the subject of class (which I am personally most concerned with here and is the 'left-wing' topic par excellence). I'd very much appreciate some comments from Jesus regarding how great it is to pile up wealth and for the powerful to dominate the weak and poor...
@beardmusic saidApparently you are knocking on the wrong door, but if you want to use that for an excuse go ahead. Tell me what I’m wrong about, you say a whole lot of nothing. Am I wrong about what I said to Sue?, you say God doesn’t want us to have riches have you looked? You say all we need is empathy, humility, love and help the poor is all we have to worry about. Isthis true, does God teach us the most through difficult times? You tell me about your relationship, I was married longer, does this mean something?, do you have children, did you punish them at times. Why the rest rest of the Bible if this is all you think is needed, maybe to know God better and grow our relationship in him? Do you love me, I love you and sue as brothers and sisters, while not changing the Bible does this make me wrong? I know Sues heart, she hates all that doesn’t fit in her box, are you the same?
@mike69
Of course I do - I've been in the same relationship for over 24 years! As I said to you earlier (and you ignored) we as individuals cannot know the 'whole truth' (the absolute) therefore we need empathy and humility (the point of view of others) to help us attempt such understanding. There is your narrow minded bigot who has a 'problem' being 'wrong...
@beardmusic saidBoy o boy, I deliberately left out that because that one upsets many people. There is no such thing as a classless society in the bible. The whole range is in there are is supported by God from Kings and Emperors to slaves and serfs. They all have a part to play in getting work done. Wealth is an inevitable result of owning resources and working hard. The poor and the weak are going to be dominated but the instruction from Jesus is to feed them and be charitable and giving.
@Rajk999
Fair enough, but absent your above analysis is the subject of class (which I am personally most concerned with here and is the 'left-wing' topic par excellence). I'd very much appreciate some comments from Jesus regarding how great it is to pile up wealth and for the powerful to dominate the weak and poor...
@mike69 saidYou have NO idea of my heart, which is you pretending and telling lies. When did Jesus support that?
Apparently you are knocking on the wrong door, but if you want to use that for an excuse go ahead. Tell me what I’m wrong about, you say a whole lot of nothing. Am I wrong about what I said to Sue?, you say God doesn’t want us to have riches have you looked? You say all we need is empathy, humility, love and help the poor is all we have to worry about. Isthis true, does Go ...[text shortened]... this make me wrong? I know Sues heart, she hates all that doesn’t fit in her box, are you the same?
@Rajk999 saidOh, please.
Boy o boy, I deliberately left out that because that one upsets many people. There is no such thing as a classless society in the bible. The whole range is in there are is supported by God from Kings and Emperors to slaves and serfs. They all have a part to play in getting work done. Wealth is an inevitable result of owning resources and working hard. The poor and the we ...[text shortened]... e going to be dominated but the instruction from Jesus is to feed them and be charitable and giving.
Maybe you just need to learn to read.
Special people like you read the Bible and think it reaffirms every evil thought they've ever had.