@AThousandYoung said? We want you people to leave us, and Bezos et al, the hell alone. It is you who restricts freedom. I have $1000 in the bank, You want part of it to get an abortion for a girl in Idaho, and to pay for your son's tuition. Uh oh, an inconvenient comment, sorry. you need to get me back on track! I want to use that money for a first class ticket to Colorado, skiing awaits!!!! I hope Bernie is not at the airport (in his private carbon jet), he will tell. me I do not need money to spend on skiing. Why, AThousandYoung, does Bernie not 'restrict my freedom'?
You sound like some kind of collectivist with all your comments how we have to restrict individual freedom for the sake of "society"
Are you and Sonhouse the best you got?
@AverageJoe1 said"No person ................................ nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;"
Since blacks commit a lot more crime than whites, we tire of your chiding us for their problems. You little fellers need to watch FOX solely for purpose of seeing real current facts,,,just this minute, a report of an illegal running over, killing, an 8-year old girl. Had a rap sheet. They are all 95% brown, you weenie. Face facts. SEE the facts, ON CNN, they talk onl ...[text shortened]... ffected by our constitution. You won't , because you can't. At this rate, you will lose readers!!!
5th Amendment
If the US government is trying to deprive someone in Chad of life, liberty or property they are "affected" by the US Constitution.
@AverageJoe1 saidI talk about the barbaric way Trump handles brown skins and you answer with your usual word salad about blacks committing crimes?
Since blacks commit a lot more crime than whites, we tire of your chiding us for their problems. You little fellers need to watch FOX solely for purpose of seeing real current facts,,,just this minute, a report of an illegal running over, killing, an 8-year old girl. Had a rap sheet. They are all 95% brown, you weenie. Face facts. SEE the facts, ON CNN, they talk onl ...[text shortened]... ffected by our constitution. You won't , because you can't. At this rate, you will lose readers!!!
Up to your usual MO of protecting your Lord Trump when in fact you are in a rapidly growing minority of folks who still love Trump. His stats are WAY down, some polls are running NINETY PERCENT against him in some cases, but most polls now have him some 15% below ground in almost ALL the categories like what people think of his handling of the economy or handling of ICE, and now that he was handed a 527 to 1 vote in house and senate over Epstein files, and he is NOT going to follow through like you think he is just because he signed the bill, he will do everything in his power to protect his rich buddies and himself.
He is a lame duck ALREADY and he falls deeper into dementia week by week spouting nonsense on his screeds done at 3 AM and even his own WH handlers are worried he won't be able to do his job as POTUS. BTW it is FOX NEWS putting out some of the worse below ground polls of any of them, worse than CNN for instance.
@AverageJoe1 saidFunny, you go into a screed about how BLACKS commits so much crime while not TOUCHING the FACT JACK that we are approaching AS WE SPEAK 200 AMERICANS arrested by ICE, like the one I told you about AMERICAN CITIZEN arrested TWICE on two different construction sites and in those ICE raids, not looking twice at ANY white dude on those sites, ONLY TARGETING BROWN SKINS and in this case an AMERICAN. and HUNDREDS more and Trump wants to target US AMERICANS also.
Since blacks commit a lot more crime than whites, we tire of your chiding us for their problems. You little fellers need to watch FOX solely for purpose of seeing real current facts,,,just this minute, a report of an illegal running over, killing, an 8-year old girl. Had a rap sheet. They are all 95% brown, you weenie. Face facts. SEE the facts, ON CNN, they talk onl ...[text shortened]... ffected by our constitution. You won't , because you can't. At this rate, you will lose readers!!!
@no1marauder saidThis one is saying that our forefathers ACTUALLY purported to tell all of the citizens of the world that they cannot be deprived of life, liberty or property.
"No person ................................ nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;"
5th Amendment
If the US government is trying to deprive someone in Chad of life, liberty or property they are "affected" by the US Constitution.
Further, I sayeth not.
(they didn't know that their own citizens would be required by our govt to pay the debts of others, but let us stay on the issue)
Marauder?
@AverageJoe1 saidYes that's exactly what they said and meant.
This one is saying that our forefathers ACTUALLY purported to tell all of the citizens of the world that they cannot be deprived of life, liberty or property.
Further, I sayeth not.
(they didn't know that their own citizens would be required by our govt to pay the debts of others, but let us stay on the issue)
Marauder?
The US government is banned from violating the rights of anyone anywhere in the world.
@sonhouse saidAn imperfect process, no question. Assuming that we all agree, as it is the only answer, all of the people who broke into our country need to be removed, like if Marauder broke into your house with a few lines of the Constitution, that you are responsible for his 'welfare'.....that you have a duty to him, the words are in there somewhere!!!!
Funny, you go into a screed about how BLACKS commits so much crime while not TOUCHING the FACT JACK that we are approaching AS WE SPEAK 200 AMERICANS arrested by ICE, like the one I told you about AMERICAN CITIZEN arrested TWICE on two different construction sites and in those ICE raids, not looking twice at ANY white dude on those sites, ONLY TARGETING BROWN SKINS and in this case an AMERICAN. and HUNDREDS more and Trump wants to target US AMERICANS also.
Now you, and all of us, have no recourse but to have police take him back to where he came from. Of course, you agree, you capice...
What should be done, little feller? Nothing?
@no1marauder saidOn the other hand, do the forfathers have a right to dictate the practices of, say, the arabs or the sudanese, I could go on.... The african tribes have slaughtered each other's villages ,taking life and liberty from each other as a concept of thier societies.....that is what they do. They kill each other in their beds. The dictates of our forefathers are hardly recognized by the tribes. The dictates fly in the face of the tribes.
Yes that's exactly what they said and meant.
The US government is banned from violating the rights of anyone anywhere in the world.
What if he forefathers said that everyone has to be a christian...or, everyone has to _____________fill in the blank
give it up
@AverageJoe1 saidI realize you are a stupid bigot, but nothing you have said has anything to do with my statements which are accurate expositions of the Framers' views.
On the other hand, do the forfathers have a right to dictate the practices of, say, the arabs or the sudanese, I could go on.... The african tribes have slaughtered each other's villages ,taking life and liberty from each other as a concept of thier societies.....that is what they do. They kill each other in their beds. The dictates of our forefathers are hardly reco ...[text shortened]... everyone has to be a christian...or, everyone has to _____________fill in the blank
give it up
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@AverageJoe1 saidIMPERFECT PROCESS. That's the best you can come up with in your rabid protection of your Lord Trump? Did you get the part where Trump is the ONLY POTUS in US history with his own gestapo? And all you can say is it is imperfect?
An imperfect process, no question. Assuming that we all agree, as it is the only answer, all of the people who broke into our country need to be removed, like if Marauder broke into your house with a few lines of the Constitution, that you are responsible for his 'welfare'.....that you have a duty to him, the words are in there somewhere!!!!
Now you, and all of us, hav ...[text shortened]... came from. Of course, you agree, you capice...
What should be done, little feller? Nothing?
Sending ARMED US military into our OWN cities is IMPERFECT? Try FKING ILLEGAL which is in the courts right now.
https://cis.org/Arthur/Trump-vs-Biden-ICE-Arrests-Removals
@no1marauder saidPlease allow me, for our readers, to 'round out' your incomplete post, before our readers glom on to your misdirected interpretation.
"No person ................................ nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;"
5th Amendment
If the US government is trying to deprive someone in Chad of life, liberty or property they are "affected" by the US Constitution.
AI Overview
The phrase "nor shall any person be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" is found in both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution. It serves as a fundamental protection against the government, requiring that any action that takes a person's life, liberty, or property must follow established legal procedures.
Fifth Amendment: This amendment, ratified in 1791, applies due process protections to the federal government. It also includes other rights, such as the right to a grand jury, protection against double jeopardy, and protection against self-incrimination.
Fourteenth Amendment: Ratified in 1868, this amendment extends the due process clause to the state governments. It was also a key part of extending citizenship to formerly enslaved people and guaranteeing the equal protection of the laws.
I don't even have to put it in plainer english. It says what it means, and it does NOT say what you try to say it says. It does not suggest that Algeria ...oh, never mind. It serves as fundamental prorectin against the government. The govt of Algiers? Or, protection against the USA government.? What governments are the fathers writing about? Or is it government in the singular? Help me rhonda.
You are wrong, plain and simple.
Give it up.
Run with it Sonhouse, and you do not even have to mention Trump.
@sonhouse saidWell, yes as a matter of fact, with all these posts ,and all that is in the news, I have definitely missed that Trump has a gestapo. If he does, then I will re-write all my posts to your satisfaction.
Trump is the ONLY POTUS in US history with his own gestapo? And all you can say is it is imperfect?
@no1marauder saidOh, yes, it goes without saying, that our country of free strong men will 'never violate the rights of anyone in the world'.
Yes that's exactly what they said and meant.
The US government is banned from violating the rights of anyone anywhere in the world.
But that is not the issue here, is it. That is not the issue here. Don't go liberal on me, next you will telling us about Article 10, or maybe Epstein news.
Tell us about due process extending beyond our shores. Do the people in Tunisia know this? How is it catalogued in their govt?
@no1marauder saidContrare' it is you who will not speak to the issue of your statements regarding due process which extends to 8billion people all over the world. Some remote tribes on the Amazon have never even heard of the USA. Wouldn't make a difference if they had.
I realize you are a stupid bigot, but nothing you have said has anything to do with my statements which are accurate expositions of the Framers' views.
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@no1marauder saidThat I am the 'bigot' is irrelevant. Is this Suzianne? I could be a Martian or an amazon tribesman, so what. The issue is not about who you are or who I am. What is your problem, you are floundering.
I realize you are a stupid bigot, but nothing you have said has anything to do with my statements which are accurate expositions of the Framers' views.
PS: There is nothing 'stupid' with my arguement. Read the clause and get back to me with some common sense. This is not philosophy 101