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@AverageJoe1 saidIt constantly amazes me how ignorant right wingers are of the basic principles of political philosophy this country was founded on. But to answer your questions:
Contrare' it is you who will not speak to the issue of your statements regarding due process which extends to 8billion people all over the world. Some remote tribes on the Amazon have never even heard of the USA. Wouldn't make a difference if they had.
Yes, all people any place in the world have the same rights. The Founders said so:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript (Emphasis added)
No, it is not the role of the US government to enforce those rights in foreign nations. That is up to the People there.
BUT, it is a requirement that the US government not violate the rights of anyone, anywhere to due process. That's what the Fifth Amendment says - read it if you don't believe me. https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fifth_amendment
Hope that helps fill the gaps in your education.
@no1marauder saidThe people in Chad, if deprived of anything at all, are not in anyway connected to our constitution.
"No person ................................ nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;"
5th Amendment
If the US government is trying to deprive someone in Chad of life, liberty or property they are "affected" by the US Constitution.
It seems Marauder has slipped through a net by saying that all people have a right to be free or whatever, but if this discussion is as simple as that, then I will one-up marauder.
Why all this discussion about the United States Constitution 'DUE ProCeSS!!!!!!" clause.? You have indeed said our law applies to heathens in the Carribean. I wrote that it most certainly does not, that Ben Franklin was not thinking about that!
You then CONTINUED on with your foolishness, when you could have said at that moment, that post, that regardless of the constitution's Due proooooooocccsss clause, everyone has a right to liberty abd proper respect, whatever, maybe the pursuit of happiness. You culd have thrown in Natural Law!!
Then, I showed that OUR due process clause does not cover tribe victims in North Africa. Pretty simple..THAT is when you should have said.."you got me Joe"
But you had to write this post and ruin everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tried to work with you.
@no1marauder saidEveryone knows all of this. Why do you write the obvious.
It constantly amazes me how ignorant right wingers are of the basic principles of political philosophy this country was founded on. But to answer your questions:
Yes, all people any place in the world have the same rights. The Founders said so:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator wi ...[text shortened]... www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fifth_amendment
Hope that helps fill the gaps in your education.
And you say that 'the founders said so', referring to all poeple having the same rights. Who in the hell disagrees with that? I agree with you.
Then you can't give it up, you say The US government not violate the rights of anyone , ................................
"Anywhere to Due Process". What in he HELL do you mean by this?????
You cannot explain it. It is like when the hosts of Trump-Biden debate heard Biden answer, and turned to Trump, saying..."can you (tell us) what he said', and Trump,,,,,probably the line that won him the presidency...said " I don't know what he said ...I dont think HE knows what he said".
@AverageJoe1 saidI cannot explain anything to someone as stupid as you are.
Everyone knows all of this. Why do you write the obvious.
And you say that 'the founders said so', referring to all poeple having the same rights. Who in the hell disagrees with that? I agree with you.
Then you can't give it up, you say The US government not violate the rights of anyone , ................................
"Anywhere to Due Process". ...[text shortened]... t won him the presidency...said " I don't know what he said ...I dont think HE knows what he said".
I believe the posts I have made in this thread are sufficiently clear so that non-morons can understand why the US government is constrained from summarily executing aliens it believes have broken US criminal laws no matter where they are.
@no1marauder saidYou have, as predicted ( I only do facts, imagine if I wrote like slanthouse) managed (not-managed) to avoid the due process issue. This particular post of yours has dumped references to that pesky Due Process clause, and has dived into, simply, the act of the USA executing aliens that we think are a threat. I guess our tech and military people, watching coastlines, frequently traveled drug-runner routes, etc, in the process of protecting our children, are doing the best they can, we don't know who these aliens are.
I cannot explain anything to someone as stupid as you are.
I believe the posts I have made in this thread are sufficiently clear so that non-morons can understand why the US government is constrained from summarily executing aliens it believes have broken US criminal laws no matter where they are.
I agree that the donald is a bi out of line, he needs to surround the boat, maybe play some Pavarotti on loudspeakers, settle them down, and see what they are up to. I agree. Dont just shoot.
But back to Due Process. This ain't got nothing to do with due process. Yes humane treatment of suspects, that is a Natural Right....of the suspects. Whuy don't yoyu just tell us all aboout that, but please do not taint the memory of our Constittuioins with foreigners, good or bad. They got hothing to do with it.
The people in the boats could be taking childdren to a hospital or getting set to dynamite us, but neither have a dam thing to do with Due Process. YOu are always racked up about ConLaw 101, first day in law school? Mine was torts more interesting. Our prof, Walter McCurdy, wrote the book which we used in class.
His first question, to my friend Bill Swearingen, was...." a line of men is lined up for blocks to get into a brothel. What (infraction) do we have here, Mr Swearingen??: " A nuisance, sir?!?? " "Noooo!!!! Good Business!!!!"
@AverageJoe1 saidWhat do you think depriving a person of life without due process means?
You have, as predicted ( I only do facts, imagine if I wrote like slanthouse) managed (not-managed) to avoid the due process issue. This particular post of yours has dumped references to that pesky Due Process clause, and has dived into, simply, the act of the USA executing aliens that we think are a threat. I guess our tech and military people, watching coastlines, freq ...[text shortened]... tion) do we have here, Mr Swearingen??: " A nuisance, sir?!?? " "Noooo!!!! Good Business!!!!"
Do you think the Framers were joking when they banned the government from doing it?
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@no1marauder saidThey were writing about the United States of America. How could they have been writing about tribes in Africa when they knew nothing about tribes in Africa. They knew about England and the United States, which gave them their hands full. Why don’t you come right on out and say the due process clause of the constitution applies to 8 billion people, all of the people on this planet. Hey, are there any Ruskies here? Would Putin think that our due process clause applies to you fellows? What a laugh. Do you, Mr ruskie, think that? Does your constitution apply to me?
What do you think depriving a person of life without due process means?
Do you think the Framers were joking when they banned the government from doing it?
Marauder, maybe you can answer that. Can a Russian citizen, the equivalent of you, tell all of his friends that their constitution applies to AvJoe and everybody else in the United States? That is a yes or no, marauder. Liberals,eschew yes or no questions.
@AverageJoe1 saidExactly how long have you wanted a bully in the White House?
Everyone knows all of this. Why do you write the obvious.
And you say that 'the founders said so', referring to all poeple having the same rights. Who in the hell disagrees with that? I agree with you.
Then you can't give it up, you say The US government not violate the rights of anyone , ................................
"Anywhere to Due Process". ...[text shortened]... t won him the presidency...said " I don't know what he said ...I dont think HE knows what he said".
@AverageJoe1 saidVenezuela should convict Trump of murder in absentia.
The people in Chad, if deprived of anything at all, are not in anyway connected to our constitution.
It seems Marauder has slipped through a net by saying that all people have a right to be free or whatever, but if this discussion is as simple as that, then I will one-up marauder.
Why all this discussion about the United States Constitution 'DUE ProCeSS!!!!!!" cl ...[text shortened]... But you had to write this post and ruin everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tried to work with you.
@AverageJoe1 saidBut they didn't, did they?
On the other hand, do the forfathers have a right to dictate the practices of, say, the arabs or the sudanese, I could go on.... The african tribes have slaughtered each other's villages ,taking life and liberty from each other as a concept of thier societies.....that is what they do. They kill each other in their beds. The dictates of our forefathers are hardly reco ...[text shortened]... everyone has to be a christian...or, everyone has to _____________fill in the blank
give it up
@AverageJoe1 saidI've answered this moronic "point" of yours several times already.
They were writing about the United States of America. How could they have been writing about tribes in Africa when they knew nothing about tribes in Africa. They knew about England and the United States, which gave them their hands full. Why don’t you come right on out and say the due process clause of the constitution applies to 8 billion people, all of the people on t ...[text shortened]... dy else in the United States? That is a yes or no, marauder. Liberals,eschew yes or no questions.
These are cases where the US government is claiming the power to punish persons anywhere in the world for violating our domestic criminal laws. So the Due Process Clause applies.
@Suzianne saidHe may certainly appear that way to pansy-type people, I dont see him that way at all .Being successful sometimes means a man (Trump) may best someone in a business deal, which person walks away with the short end of a deal,,,,,,,and the way Trump did it makes him appear a bully.
Exactly how long have you wanted a bully in the White House?
I think if you, suzianne, look at Trump just through that prism for a moment, you would have to agree with me. EG, he may tell Sweden that if they don't lower their tariffs, that our congress will increase our tariffs. All fair in love and war, all legal. Sweden leaves the meeting, he has them over a barrel, they have to relent. They mumble///////He is a Bully.
In the big scheme of things, I guess there is a bully in every negotiation.....the one who wins.
As your question, given what I just wrote, especially on the world stage....our country needs Trump right where he is...the White House. Who would you rather? Could Kamala swing deals? Cackles a bit too much to be a bully....and I have just proven, we need a bully.
@AThousandYoung saidHomestar Runner cartoon:
If the Executive can't execute people then why is it called execution?!
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