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@averagejoe1 saidI think any CEO of a corporation who falsely filed paperwork claiming reimbursement for a hush money payment was a legitimate business cost i.e."legal expenses" and was caught doing so would be prosecuted in NY.
Sorry. But a simple question, for you. Do you think the chargfes against Trump are politically motivated, or, NOT politically motivated?
If anything, politics delayed the charges.
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@no1marauder saidcorrupt democrats abusing the justice system to interfere in the upcoming election…
I think any CEO of a corporation who falsely filed paperwork claiming reimbursement for a hush money payment was a legitimate business cost i.e."legal expenses" and was caught doing so would be prosecuted in NY.
If anything, politics delayed the charges.
do you think you are fooling anyone?
@mott-the-hoople saidNo matter how many times you parrot the right wing propaganda you have been spoon fed, I see you don't want to discuss the actual facts and law of the case.
corrupt democrats abusing the justice system to interfere in the upcoming election…
do you think you are fooling anyone?
It's not hard to figure out why.
If the name of the CEO who did these acts was Gates or Zuckerberg, you'd be singing a different tune.
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@no1marauder saidDiscuss the law? If someone here wants to discuss medicine, why would people with no medical training discuss it. I have limited if any knowledge of medicine, which is one reason you did not see me writing about Covid. I don’t know crap about Covid. So if someone, I won’t name any names purports to weigh in on medicine, they should not. It muddies up the Forum. I notice that Sonhouse seems to be quite well-versed in things beyond the stellar system and the speed of light, etc., etc. , I doubt there is anyone here that could carry on a normal conversation about that, I don’t even understand what the flat earth society does.
No matter how many times you parrot the right wing propaganda you have been spoon fed, I see you don't want to discuss the actual facts and law of the case.
It's not hard to figure out why.
If the name of the CEO who did these acts was Gates or Zuckerberg, you'd be singing a different tune.
@no1marauder saidI dearest that the conservatives on this forum are not parenting any talking heads about the state of the world today, it is right before our eyes, and we are certainly forming our own opinions. I do not have to be told by any one what hell is being rained down upon us by the Biden administration. Every day it is something new. All of which encroach on our freedom, our democracy. Since you fellas have a different definitions of democracy and freedom, it is not even something that we can discuss. So here again, why parrot anybody. It is right before our eyes.
No matter how many times you parrot the right wing propaganda you have been spoon fed, I see you don't want to discuss the actual facts and law of the case.
It's not hard to figure out why.
If the name of the CEO who did these acts was Gates or Zuckerberg, you'd be singing a different tune.
@averagejoe1 saidThe alleged crimes were committed before he assumed office. The court cases were put on hold while he was in office because a sitting president cannot be indicted. He would have been prosecuted whether or not he had ever held office. Ergo, not politically motivated. Of course, his political opponents are pleased that he is finally being prosecuted, but that is not the motivation of DoJ.
Sorry. But a simple question, for you. Do you think the chargfes against Trump are politically motivated, or, NOT politically motivated?
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@averagejoe1 saidAgain, these demented ravings have nothing to do with the subject of this thread. If you don't want to discuss the issues regarding Trump's criminal trial in NYC, please refrain from posting here.
I dearest that the conservatives on this forum are not parenting any talking heads about the state of the world today, it is right before our eyes, and we are certainly forming our own opinions. I do not have to be told by any one what hell is being rained down upon us by the Biden administration. Every day it is something new. All of which encroach on our freedom, our de ...[text shortened]... even something that we can discuss. So here again, why parrot anybody. It is right before our eyes.
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On topic: are people convicted of falsifying financial records of this magnitude sometimes imprisoned, or are fines the usual sentence ?
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@moonbus saidActually, they were committed while he was in office from February 14, 2017 to December 5, 2017. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-indictment-34-felony-counts-charges-new-york-read/
The alleged crimes were committed before he assumed office. The court cases were put on hold while he was in office because a sitting president cannot be indicted. He would have been prosecuted whether or not he had ever held office. Ergo, not politically motivated. Of course, his political opponents are pleased that he is finally being prosecuted, but is not the motivation of DoJ.
This case is being prosecuted by the County of New York DA, not the DOJ.
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@moonbus saidThere's a table in this article covering dozens of recent cases where people were charged with violations of NY Penal Law sec. 175.10. https://www.justsecurity.org/85605/survey-of-past-new-york-felony-prosecutions-for-falsifying-business-records/
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On topic: are people convicted of falsifying financial records of this magnitude sometimes imprisoned, or are fines the usual sentence ?
Many pled guilty to lesser charges, others had multiple convictions of other sections of the Penal Law. The closest case to this one I can find is here: https://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/appellate-division-fourth-department/2021/666-ka-17-00689.html where defendant was convicted of three counts of Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree only after trial but his sentence isn't mentioned.
@no1marauder saidOOps, sorry, I'm confusing two separate cases. There are so many ...
Actually, they were committed while he was in office from February 14, 2017 to December 5, 2017. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-indictment-34-felony-counts-charges-new-york-read/
This case is being prosecuted by the County of New York DA, not the DOJ.
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@no1marauder saidQuoted from your second link:
There's a table in this article covering dozens of recent cases where people were charged with violations of NY Penal Law sec. 175.10. https://www.justsecurity.org/85605/survey-of-past-new-york-felony-prosecutions-for-falsifying-business-records/
Many pled guilty to lesser charges, others had multiple convictions of other sections of the Penal Law. The closest case to ...[text shortened]... f Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree only after trial but his sentence isn't mentioned.
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§ 175.10). Although the jury acquitted defendant of insurance fraud, which is the crime the People alleged that defendant intended to commit or conceal by falsifying business records, the jury could "convict defendant of falsifying business records if the jury concluded that defendant had intended to commit or conceal another crime, even if he was not convicted of the other crime" (People v McCumskey, 12 AD3d 1145, 1146 [4th Dept 2004]; see People v Crane, 87 [*2]AD3d 1386, 1386 [4th Dept 2011], lv denied 17 NY3d 952 [2011]).
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My emphasis. Well, that is the clincher, isn't it?
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So for you, if it was you or I with the same things going on, WE would be in jail. but your your orange anti christ, he is LITERALLY above the law. Got it.
@AverageJoe1
Here is the thing, all you have is OPINION. Remember that word, you used it.
The law says something different. Trump paid off TWO porn stars just before the elections so the public did not hear damning evidence which could have shifted the election to Hillary and that has nothing to do with politics that is using hush money payments AND catch and kill schemes from Pecker to hide the truth so we the people would not have informed information about what took place and THAT is called election interference whether you like it or not. Funny thing is, THAT IS AGAINST EXISTING LAWS having nothing to do with politics as much as you want to puke out all that ultrarightwingnut BULLSHTYE.
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@no1marauder saidWeren't the hush money payments made during the campaign, in 2016, before he was in the WH?
Actually, they were committed while he was in office from February 14, 2017 to December 5, 2017. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-indictment-34-felony-counts-charges-new-york-read/
This case is being prosecuted by the County of New York DA, not the DOJ.