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Originally posted by whodey
Nazis oppose immigration because they are racists.

I am not a racist, and this is not why I oppose immigration. For example, FDR singling out Japanese Americans because of their race is abhorrent to me, and akin to Nazi ways of thinking.

Now can we continue?
What FDR did is abhorrent to you because he had a "D" in front of his political party.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
What FDR did is abhorrent to you because he had a "D" in front of his political party.
He was abhorrent to me because he was a Prog who disdained Federalism and rule of law. The Japanese concentration camps are but one example, another would be the Court Packing Scheme.

He was a lawless power hungry cookie cutter Prog who just wanted to "get things done" at any cost.

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Originally posted by whodey
Nazis oppose immigration because they are racists.

I am not a racist, and this is not why I oppose immigration. For example, FDR singling out Japanese Americans because of their race is abhorrent to me, and akin to Nazi ways of thinking.

Now can we continue?
Is racism the only kind of bigotry? Is racism the only kind of bigotry displayed by Nazis? Is bigotry based on religion not just as abhorrent?


Originally posted by whodey
He was abhorrent to me because he was a Prog who disdained Federalism and rule of law. The Japanese concentration camps are but one example, another would be the Court Packing Scheme.

He was a lawless power hungry cookie cutter Prog who just wanted to "get things done" at any cost.
There was nothing unconstitutional about his "court packing" proposal which was rejected by an overwhelming "progressive" Congress.

You are posting here supporting a proposal to ban all members of a religious group from entering the US because a small extremist fringe of them have conducted a few terrorist attacks on US soil while pretending to find "abhorrent" removing people of the ancestry of an enemy who had sneak attacked the US, then declared war and were a threat to the Pacific coast! Your chutzpah and dishonesty is truly amazing.

I can (and do find) the Japanese internment "abhorrent" based on my consistent principles but you don't seem to have ANY principles at all. You're just a partisan shill.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
There was nothing unconstitutional about his "court packing" proposal which was rejected by an overwhelming "progressive" Congress.

You are posting here supporting a proposal to ban all members of a religious group from entering the US because a small extremist fringe of them have conducted a few terrorist attacks on US soil while pretending to find " ...[text shortened]... stent principles but you don't seem to have ANY principles at all. You're just a partisan shill.
I can (and do find) the Japanese internment "abhorrent" based on my consistent principles but you don't seem to have ANY principles at all. You're just a partisan shill.

Agreed—except that I’m not sure who whodey would be a “shill” for.

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This is what General DeWitt said in early 1942:

I don't want any of them [persons of Japanese ancestry] here. They are a dangerous element. There is no way to determine their loyalty..

That is different from what Trump said ................................ how?

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Originally posted by whodey
...when the US is at war with Muslims in the Middle East.
You think the US is at war with a religion?

That's like the UK being at war with Catholics during the Irish troubles.

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Originally posted by whodey
Nazis oppose immigration because they are racists.

I am not a racist, and this is not why I oppose immigration. For example, FDR singling out Japanese Americans because of their race is abhorrent to me, and akin to Nazi ways of thinking.

Now can we continue?
I have no problem taking the steps necessary to win the war.

In war there are no civilians.

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Originally posted by Eladar
I have no problem taking the steps necessary to win the war.

In war there are no civilians.
Yes there are, lunatic. Otherwise there is nothing morally objectionable about what ISIS and AQ did.

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Originally posted by Eladar
I have no problem taking the steps necessary to win the war.

In war there are no civilians.
Who are you at war with? (I just want to make sure that I protect my wife and other civilians that I love from you, when you go ballistic.)

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As the great Progressive Justice Murphy said in Korematsu v. US:

But to infer that examples of individual disloyalty prove group disloyalty and justify discriminatory action against the entire group is to deny that, under our system of law, individual guilt is the sole basis for deprivation of rights. Moreover, this inference, which is at the very heart of the evacuation orders, has been used in support of the abhorrent and despicable treatment of minority groups by the dictatorial tyrannies which this nation is now pledged to destroy. To give constitutional sanction to that inference in this case, however well intentioned may have been the military command on the Pacific Coast, is to adopt one of the cruelest of the rationales used by our enemies to destroy the dignity of the individual and to encourage and open the door to discriminatory actions against other minority groups in the passions of tomorrow.

323 US 214, 240 (dissenting opinion)

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Originally posted by no1marauder
As the great Progressive Justice Murphy said in Korematsu v. US:

But to infer that examples of individual disloyalty prove group disloyalty and justify discriminatory action against the entire group is to deny that, under our system of law, individual guilt is the sole basis for deprivation of rights. Moreover, this inference, which is at the v ...[text shortened]... ainst other minority groups in the passions of tomorrow.

323 US 214, 240 (dissenting opinion)
. . .to adopt one of the cruelest of the rationales used by our enemies to destroy the dignity of the individual and to encourage and open the door to discriminatory actions against other minority groups in the passions of tomorrow.

Wow. And the hypocrisy is that it seems to be those (otherwise) trumpeters of ideological individualism that are voicing support for "discriminatory actions against other minority groups in the passions"--of today.

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Originally posted by Eladar
I say we stop all immigration. Once we get rid of Social Welfare programs, then we invite more of the world's poor to our land.
Immigration is a good thing as long as there are rules to follow. Can't just bring in aliens by the thousands and millions without it impacting the standard of living for the citizens. Between the Mexicans and the "refugees", the globalists have really hurt this country. Access to food will be the next thing on the horizon.

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Originally posted by vistesd
Is racism the only kind of bigotry? Is racism the only kind of bigotry displayed by Nazis? Is bigotry based on religion not just as abhorrent?
Sure, they hated Jews as well. That is equally abhorrent.

However, I am not targeting a religion other than those who are at war with the US because of their religion.

All the GOP asked for was to properly vet these immigrants coming in from ISIS controlled Syria.

In fact, I could care less if they claimed to be Christians. They need to be properly vetted.

The sad truth of the matter is, there are religious Islamic groups out there at war with the US, so targeting them is essential. Does that make all Muslims the enemy, no. But we need to have discussion on how to deal with this issue instead of just bringing in unknown refugees who are at war with the West.