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Originally posted by sh76US social programs don't pay for everything. Many many older people have to work to pay for their bills including medication, assisted housing, home care, food etc.
What makes it surprising is specifically that you're referring to older people.
Older people are eligible for Medicare and Social Security and, if they're retired, to Medicaid as well.
Look, you can google it if you don't want to take my word for it. Here's some info as a start: It also appears my 25% of all personal bankruptcies in the US being caused by medical debts is out of date. As of 2007 (pre-recession) it is up to a whopping 60%!!! I can only imagine how high it is now with this current recession.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE5530Y020090604?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0
http://halfinten.org/elderly-poverty
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An interesting quote from one of the articles:
"Using a conservative definition, 62.1 percent of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92 percent of these medical debtors had medical debts over $5,000, or 10 percent of pretax family income," the researchers wrote.
"Most medical debtors were well-educated, owned homes and had middle-class occupations."
The researchers, funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, said the share of bankruptcies that could be blamed on medical problems rose by 50 percent from 2001 to 2007.
Patients with multiple sclerosis paid a mean of $34,167 out of pocket in 2007, diabetics paid $26,971, and those with injuries paid $25,096, the researchers found.
Originally posted by uzless
EDIT 2: Also, there are 50 million Americans who don't have health care coverage. I'm surprised you haven't seen any of them considering that works out to about 1 in 8 Americans that don't have health coverage. Granted, they are not all old people, but also include young children.
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Do you think that 50 million figure has anything to do with the 30 million Americans that are unemployed?
Originally posted by sh76I thought it was obvious that i meant the needy would actually live and work in the US. Not just get free medical treatment.
Exactly; so your whole point about "bring me your needy" for healthcare does not reference a scenario that would be any different under all these systems where healthcare is considered a "right" and not a handout.
Originally posted by SlyArmenianSo you should only get health care if you have a job???
Originally posted by uzless
EDIT 2: Also, there are 50 million Americans who don't have health care coverage. I'm surprised you haven't seen any of them considering that works out to about 1 in 8 Americans that don't have health coverage. Granted, they are not all old people, but also include young children.
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Do you think that 50 million figure has anything to do with the 30 million Americans that are unemployed?
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Besides, you're leaving out 20 million people.
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Originally posted by SlyArmenianug, "blame the immigrants for our problems!!!"
It's hard to determine a stat like that, especially in California, considering that probably 3 in 8 Southern Californian's are illegal, not to mention that 3 in 8's 5 kids.
What an idiotic response. Such a tired, uninformed lazy unintelligent comment. My god. Please, vote republican and be quiet. Then open your eyes, shut your mouth, and read.
""Using a conservative definition, 62.1 percent of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92 percent of these medical debtors had medical debts over $5,000, or 10 percent of pretax family income," the researchers wrote.
"Most medical debtors were well-educated, owned homes and had middle-class occupations.""
http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE5530Y020090604?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0
Originally posted by SlyArmenianYou just got to core of the problem with the US system -- you lose your job, you also lose your coverage.
Originally posted by uzless
EDIT 2: Also, there are 50 million Americans who don't have health care coverage. I'm surprised you haven't seen any of them considering that works out to about 1 in 8 Americans that don't have health coverage. Granted, they are not all old people, but also include young children.
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Do you think that 50 million figure has anything to do with the 30 million Americans that are unemployed?
And how many people are stuck in a lousy job but are afraid to look for something better because they fear losing their coverage?
Originally posted by uzlessMaybe you should read, Canadian. I never blamed anything on anyone. You read between the lines incorrectly. I was explaining that it is difficult to come to a statitistic such as that, genius.
ug, "blame the immigrants for our problems!!!"
What an idiotic response. Such a tired, uninformed lazy unintelligent comment. My god. Please, vote republican and be quiet. Then open your eyes, shut your mouth, and read.
""Using a conservative definition, 62.1 percent of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92 percent of these medical debtors had ...[text shortened]... .reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE5530Y020090604?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0
Originally posted by SlyArmenianErm no, you are looking at the wrong data.
Sweden's national per capita income is lower than France's and still has a tax rate of about 48%, although their corporate taxes are just under 30%.
Interestingly enough, Japan has a slightly lower average personal tax rate than Americans, at about 27%.