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  1. 18 Aug '09 02:43 / 1 edit
    Americans who consider themselves conservatives now outnumber Americans who consider themselves liberal by almost two to one, according to a new poll by the Washington Post and ABC News.

    In the poll of 1,001 adults conducted between July 15-18, respondents were asked: "Would you say your views on most political matters are liberal, moderate, or conservative?"

    Thirty-eight percent said they were conservative, while only 20% said they were liberal. Thirty-nine percent, meanwhile, said they were moderate.

    The percentage of self-described conservatives has increased since President Barack Obama was inaugurated in January and the percentage of self-described liberals has diminished. A Washington Post poll conducted in mid-January, shortly before the inauguration, showed 32% saying they were conservative, 24% saying they were liberal and 42% saying they were moderates.


    http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/nation/poll-conservatives-now-outnumber-liberals-almost-two-to-one-in-america

    Proof that the RHP liberal looney bin is not main stream american thought
    Any comments ?
  2. 18 Aug '09 02:58
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    Americans who consider themselves conservatives now outnumber Americans who consider themselves liberal by almost two to one, according to a new poll by the Washington Post and ABC News.

    In the poll of 1,001 adults conducted between July 15-18, respondents were asked: "Would you say your views on most political matters are liberal, moderate, or con ...[text shortened]... oof that the RHP liberal looney bin is not main stream american thought

    Any comments ? [/b]
    That is why I was hopeing that there will be more partisipation from other players in the debate forums.
  3. 18 Aug '09 03:08
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    That is why I was hopeing that there will be more partisipation from other players in the debate forums.
    I do not blame them for their silence.Until recently,they would be pounced on by the liberal loonies like a pack of ravenous wolves.You know the loons I am talking about, and so do they.

    Another rasmusin poll out today says a whopping 57% of americans say the stimulas is not working and is a failure.
    72% of americans want the remaining unspent money back in form of a refund.
  4. 18 Aug '09 03:08
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    Americans who consider themselves conservatives now outnumber Americans who consider themselves liberal by almost two to one, according to a new poll by the Washington Post and ABC News.

    In the poll of 1,001 adults conducted between July 15-18, respondents were asked: "Would you say your views on most political matters are liberal, moderate, or con ...[text shortened]... oof that the RHP liberal looney bin is not main stream american thought

    Any comments ? [/b]
    It then begs the question as to how the Democrats took over power does it not? I think I know the answer. The answer is that people instinctively hate statists whether they come in the form of Republicans or Democrat. The may not be able to articulate why it is they hate them, or even that they are statists, but the end result is that they vote to oppose them. What you saw in the last election was a back lash from "W" the statist as well as his Republican cronies as they lashed out at them for voting for the other guy. Of course, if I am right, what you will see in the next election is the exact opposite. It is just too bad that at times it seems there is really no one for conservatives to vote for. I mean, if they are all statits, why even vote other than to vote out people you hate?
  5. 18 Aug '09 03:12
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    I do not blame them for their silence.Until recently,they would be pounced on by the liberal loonies like a pack of ravenous wolves.You know the loons I am talking about, and so do they.

    Another rasmusin poll out today says a whopping 57% of americans say the stimulas is not working and is a failure.
    72% of americans want the remaining unspent money back in form of a refund.
    I personally enjoy a foreign point of view even if I don't agree with it. Other folks may not see the sense in taking abuse from some of them and trying to argue points in American politics. I would like to hear what the Ruskies think about the things happening here and see if they have any warnings based on their experiences.
  6. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    18 Aug '09 03:13 / 1 edit
    Interesting. I'd like to see the study.

    Of course, by "liberals" and "conservatives" the study only means the more extreme versions of the two. You're not mentioning the moderate third of the populace. No, two thirds of Americans are not claiming to be conservative, folks.

    EDIT - here's the poll:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_072009.html?sid=ST2009072400003
  7. 18 Aug '09 03:15
    Originally posted by whodey
    It then begs the question as to how the Democrats took over power does it not? I think I know the answer. The answer is that people instinctively hate statists whether they come in the form of Republicans or Democrat. The may not be able to articulate why it is they hate them, or even that they are statists, but the end result is that they vote to oppose t ...[text shortened]... e for. I mean, if they are all statits, why even vote other than to vote out people you hate?
    The two party system has usurped your right to vote.
  8. 18 Aug '09 03:23
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Interesting. I'd like to see the study.

    Of course, by "liberals" and "conservatives" the study only means the more extreme versions of the two. You're not mentioning the moderate third of the populace. No, two thirds of Americans are not claiming to be conservative, folks.

    EDIT - here's the poll:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_072009.html?sid=ST2009072400003
    the poll says 39% consider themselves moderate
  9. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    18 Aug '09 03:31
    The poll also says that 59% approve of Obama's job as President and only 37% disapprove. Haha!
  10. 18 Aug '09 03:49 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    The poll also says that 59% approve of Obama's job as President and only 37% disapprove. Haha!
    I have seen polls where Obama in terms of popularity are high, however, in terms of his policies are very, very low. My guess is that people are clueless as to what this guy is up to. At least, when I talk to his supporters they seem clueless. All they know is that he is "cool".
  11. 18 Aug '09 03:50
    A LOT of people consider themselves moderate since they hold varying views on varying issues (in others words, parties don't think for everyone).

    I consider myself moderate on many things, but fiscally conservative andliberal on immigration.

    Consistently for freedom from government interfearance in people's lives, movement, and wealth.
  12. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    18 Aug '09 03:51 / 1 edit
    Now that is a surprise [/irony]

    North Americans were born conservative and will die conservative. Even the so called U.S. liberals are way, way to the right of the spectrum compared to liberals in other parts of the world.

    So don't worry, utherpendragon, there's no risk of the U.S. being even close to a liberal and progressive society not even in the next 50 years
  13. 18 Aug '09 03:55
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Now that is a surprise [/irony]

    North Americans were born conservative and will die conservative. Even the so called U.S. liberals are way, way to the right of the spectrum compared to liberals in other parts of the world.

    So don't worry, utherpendragon, there's no risk of the U.S. being even close to a liberal and progressive society not even in the next 50 years
    WHEW ! What a relief ! I was getting worried there for a minute.
  14. 18 Aug '09 04:00
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Now that is a surprise [/irony]

    North Americans were born conservative and will die conservative. Even the so called U.S. liberals are way, way to the right of the spectrum compared to liberals in other parts of the world.

    So don't worry, utherpendragon, there's no risk of the U.S. being even close to a liberal and progressive society not even in the next 50 years
    But how can this be when all we see are moves to the left in government? Are we being dictated to against our will I wonder?
  15. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    18 Aug '09 04:11 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    But how can this be when all we see are moves to the left in government? Are we being dictated to against our will I wonder?
    Left? Do you even now what left is?

    To lean to the left is to subvert traditional social structures and move towards egalitarianism. Moreover, since the true left tends to recognize new social movements as propellers of change, an open space for radical democratic groups is paramount.

    This is not happening in the U.S., where the traditional structures continue to exercise its power. Don't be fooled by cosmetic issues. The U.S. left has never (I repeat: never) been close to organize a serious political attempt at power, and its struggle (and achievements) have been launched from grassroots level.

    Check Chantal Mouffle's essay in Trend's "Radical Democracy". By the way, Mouffle is the co-author of "Hegemony and Socialist Strategy" together with Laclau. I presume you've read them, right?