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  1. Standard member skipper2666
    Why so serious ????
    27 Nov '11 15:22
    Are The Western World countries heading towards becoming Police States? Yes or No - anyone.

    If they are! Then WHY?
  2. Standard member skipper2666
    Why so serious ????
    27 Nov '11 15:22 / 1 edit
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/congress-to-vote-next-week-on-explicitly-creating-a-police-state.html
  3. 27 Nov '11 15:26
    Originally posted by skipper2666
    Are The Western World countries heading towards becoming Police States? Yes or No - anyone.

    If they are! Then WHY?
    I would tell ya but I'm afraid to say. :'(
  4. Standard member skipper2666
    Why so serious ????
    27 Nov '11 15:26
    Originally posted by whodey
    I would tell ya but I'm afraid to say. :'(
    No one will know here on RHP!!!!!
  5. Standard member skipper2666
    Why so serious ????
    27 Nov '11 15:27 / 1 edit
    http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20111105/WIRE/111109721/1033/news?Title=Second-Iraq-war-vet-hurt-during-Oakland-protests-

    So much for PEACEFUL Protest and citizen rights.

    It's not just in the Homeland but in "Bank"rupt Britain also

    http://not4attribution.blogspot.com/2011/10/met-police.html
  6. 27 Nov '11 15:36
    Define "police state".

    Also, "all" Western countries? At the same time?
  7. Standard member skipper2666
    Why so serious ????
    27 Nov '11 15:40
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Define "police state".

    Also, "all" Western countries? At the same time?
    Yes... I was waiting for you to jump on board, one of the Jackboot Stormtroopers of the debating section.

    You define, you already have your mind made up.

    Read the links and you define!!

    Thanks for your post, good to know that just maybe you will read and then one day realise..
  8. 27 Nov '11 15:46
    Originally posted by skipper2666
    Yes... I was waiting for you to jump on board, one of the Jackboot Stormtroopers of the debating section.

    You define, you already have your mind made up.

    Read the links and you define!!

    Thanks for your post, good to know that just maybe you will read and then one day realise..
    I'm asking for a definition so we don't have to argue over what it means to have a "police state".
  9. Standard member skipper2666
    Why so serious ????
    27 Nov '11 15:54 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    I'm asking for a definition so we don't have to argue over what it means to have a "police state".
    ok, here is a simple premise...

    Peaceful protest, should it be met with what is called "Robust" policing. Read the link story about one of the War Vet boys "peacefully" protesting. When did we loose the right to be heard, it's in the Constitution... it's our right.... why is it being met with State force? That is not Democracy!!!

    http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20111105/WIRE/111109721/1033/news?Title=Second-Iraq-war-vet-hurt-during-Oakland-protests-



    Here is a small Dutch story of freedom of speech....

    http://911blogger.com/node/10725
  10. 27 Nov '11 16:32
    Originally posted by skipper2666
    ok, here is a simple premise...

    Peaceful protest, should it be met with what is called "Robust" policing. Read the link story about one of the War Vet boys "peacefully" protesting. When did we loose the right to be heard, it's in the Constitution... it's our right.... why is it being met with State force? That is not Democracy!!!

    http://www.pressde ...[text shortened]...
    Here is a small Dutch story of freedom of speech....

    http://911blogger.com/node/10725
    Sorry, I find it a bit hard to sympathize with 9/11-whackjobs. It does sound like they were being very harshly treated, indeed.
  11. 27 Nov '11 18:17
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Sorry, I find it a bit hard to sympathize with 9/11-whackjobs. It does sound like they were being very harshly treated, indeed.
    "Sorry, I find it a bit hard to sympathize with 9/11-whackjobs."

    You don't need to sympathize or agree with to see the need for them to not be abused by a police state. There is a tendency to defend movements that we at least partially understand and approve of, and to dismiss others as whack-jobs.
  12. 27 Nov '11 18:37
    Originally posted by normbenign
    "Sorry, I find it a bit hard to sympathize with 9/11-whackjobs."

    You don't need to sympathize or agree with to see the need for them to not be abused by a police state. There is a tendency to defend movements that we at least partially understand and approve of, and to dismiss others as whack-jobs.
    I didn't say people I disagree with should be "abused by a police state". People called the police because they were being harrassed by 9/11 whackjobs. The police responded by asking them to go away. I don't see any "police state" here.
  13. Standard member skipper2666
    Why so serious ????
    27 Nov '11 22:51
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Sorry, I find it a bit hard to sympathize with 9/11-whackjobs. It does sound like they were being very harshly treated, indeed.
    Yes, you took the bait and went for the easier story for yourself to cope with.

    Maybe you could answer the War Vet story now please.

    Even if people are whack jobs, it matters not and should have a right to be heard and protest peacefully.
  14. Standard member skipper2666
    Why so serious ????
    27 Nov '11 22:55
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    I didn't say people I disagree with should be "abused by a police state". People called the police because they were being harrassed by 9/11 whackjobs. The police responded by asking them to go away. I don't see any "police state" here.
    You are in Finland, right?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fayeBaQlnY

    Is this normal policing from there and why is it that they have such high (independantly) reported violations of human rights?
  15. 27 Nov '11 23:01
    Originally posted by skipper2666
    You are in Finland, right?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fayeBaQlnY

    Is this normal policing from there and why is it that they have such high (independantly) reported violations of human rights?
    Here's a thought. What kind of people join the police force?

    So would you or would you not then expect abuses to arise from time to time, in any police force, in any country around the world? Would that make every country in the world a "police state"?

    I have no idea what "normal policing" here is like - I don't get into trouble with the police. The YouTube video doesn't cite any figures.