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http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20111105/WIRE/111109721/1033/news?Title=Second-Iraq-war-vet-hurt-during-Oakland-protests-
So much for PEACEFUL Protest and citizen rights.
It's not just in the Homeland but in "Bank"rupt Britain also
http://not4attribution.blogspot.com/2011/10/met-police.html
27 Nov 11
Originally posted by KazetNagorraYes... I was waiting for you to jump on board, one of the Jackboot Stormtroopers of the debating section.
Define "police state".
Also, "all" Western countries? At the same time?
You define, you already have your mind made up.
Read the links and you define!!
Thanks for your post, good to know that just maybe you will read and then one day realise..
27 Nov 11
Originally posted by skipper2666I'm asking for a definition so we don't have to argue over what it means to have a "police state".
Yes... I was waiting for you to jump on board, one of the Jackboot Stormtroopers of the debating section.
You define, you already have your mind made up.
Read the links and you define!!
Thanks for your post, good to know that just maybe you will read and then one day realise..
Originally posted by KazetNagorraok, here is a simple premise...
I'm asking for a definition so we don't have to argue over what it means to have a "police state".
Peaceful protest, should it be met with what is called "Robust" policing. Read the link story about one of the War Vet boys "peacefully" protesting. When did we loose the right to be heard, it's in the Constitution... it's our right.... why is it being met with State force? That is not Democracy!!!
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20111105/WIRE/111109721/1033/news?Title=Second-Iraq-war-vet-hurt-during-Oakland-protests-
Here is a small Dutch story of freedom of speech....
http://911blogger.com/node/10725
27 Nov 11
Originally posted by skipper2666Sorry, I find it a bit hard to sympathize with 9/11-whackjobs. It does sound like they were being very harshly treated, indeed.
ok, here is a simple premise...
Peaceful protest, should it be met with what is called "Robust" policing. Read the link story about one of the War Vet boys "peacefully" protesting. When did we loose the right to be heard, it's in the Constitution... it's our right.... why is it being met with State force? That is not Democracy!!!
http://www.pressde ...[text shortened]...
Here is a small Dutch story of freedom of speech....
http://911blogger.com/node/10725
27 Nov 11
Originally posted by KazetNagorra"Sorry, I find it a bit hard to sympathize with 9/11-whackjobs."
Sorry, I find it a bit hard to sympathize with 9/11-whackjobs. It does sound like they were being very harshly treated, indeed.
You don't need to sympathize or agree with to see the need for them to not be abused by a police state. There is a tendency to defend movements that we at least partially understand and approve of, and to dismiss others as whack-jobs.
27 Nov 11
Originally posted by normbenignI didn't say people I disagree with should be "abused by a police state". People called the police because they were being harrassed by 9/11 whackjobs. The police responded by asking them to go away. I don't see any "police state" here.
"Sorry, I find it a bit hard to sympathize with 9/11-whackjobs."
You don't need to sympathize or agree with to see the need for them to not be abused by a police state. There is a tendency to defend movements that we at least partially understand and approve of, and to dismiss others as whack-jobs.
27 Nov 11
Originally posted by KazetNagorraYes, you took the bait and went for the easier story for yourself to cope with.
Sorry, I find it a bit hard to sympathize with 9/11-whackjobs. It does sound like they were being very harshly treated, indeed.
Maybe you could answer the War Vet story now please.
Even if people are whack jobs, it matters not and should have a right to be heard and protest peacefully.
27 Nov 11
Originally posted by KazetNagorraYou are in Finland, right?
I didn't say people I disagree with should be "abused by a police state". People called the police because they were being harrassed by 9/11 whackjobs. The police responded by asking them to go away. I don't see any "police state" here.
Is this normal policing from there and why is it that they have such high (independantly) reported violations of human rights?
27 Nov 11
Originally posted by skipper2666Here's a thought. What kind of people join the police force?
You are in Finland, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fayeBaQlnY
Is this normal policing from there and why is it that they have such high (independantly) reported violations of human rights?
So would you or would you not then expect abuses to arise from time to time, in any police force, in any country around the world? Would that make every country in the world a "police state"?
I have no idea what "normal policing" here is like - I don't get into trouble with the police. The YouTube video doesn't cite any figures.