Originally posted by HumeAI am beginning to wonder whether your mischaracterization of HumeA's stance is a case of you simply getting the wrong end of the stick. Is it?
Show me where I said this.
Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Page 6, your fourth post.
HumeA's fourth post on Page 6 is as follows:
If you're asking me what I'd do, option 2 seems fair enough.
Which means that he was making the following choice:
(option2). Drop the bomb on an uninhabited island w/i Japan's view. Scare them into surrender. Then we can say, "Look what we had but did not use!" We would save the lives of hundreds of thousands of troops.
And for this you and techsouth are laying into him for being "silly"? Seems strange. Is there really no room for dissent on this issue in your book? I don't really know who techsouth is, but I'm surprised at you AThousandYoung!
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Originally posted by FMFOhh, I misunderstood. I thought he picked the second of the two options I suggested in the post he was responding to.
I am beginning to wonder whether your mischaracterization of HumeA's stance is a case of you simply getting the wrong end of the stick. Is it?
HumeA's fourth post on Page 6 is as follows:
[b]If you're asking me what I'd do, option 2 seems fair enough.
Which means that he was making the following choice:
(option2). Drop the bomb on an uninhabi book? I don't really know who techsouth is, but I'm surprised at you AThousandYoung![/b]
I completely forgot the OP has options in it.
Originally posted by HumeAobvious ...
Your point is?
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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
They needed to be shocked into sanity. These were people who believed enslaving women to be gang raped by abusive soldiers is the way to wage war. They needed brutality. That's what they understood at the time.
Originally posted by zeeblebot
nope ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_massacre
"During the occupation of Nanking, the Japanese army committed numerous atrocities, such as rape, looting, arson and the execution of prisoners of war and civilians. Although the executions began under the pretext of eliminating Chinese soldiers disguised as civilians, it is claimed that a large number of innocent men were intentionally identified as enemy combatants and executed as the massacre gathered momentum. A large number of women and children were also killed, as rape and murder became more widespread.
According to the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, estimates made at a later date indicate that the total number of civilians and prisoners of war murdered in Nanking and its vicinity during the first six weeks of the Japanese occupation was over 200,000. That these estimates are not exaggerated is borne out by the fact that burial societies and other organizations counted more than 155,000 buried bodies. Most were bound with their hands tied behind their backs. These figures do not take into account those persons whose bodies were destroyed by burning, by throwing them into the Yangtze River, or otherwise disposed of by the Japanese."[1] The extent of the atrocities is debated between China and Japan, with numbers[2] ranging from some Japanese claims of several hundred,[3] to the Chinese claim of a non-combatant death toll of 300,000[4]. A number of Japanese researchers consider 100,000 – 200,000 to be an approximate value.[5] Other nations usually believe the death toll to be between 150,000–300,000.[6] This number was first promulgated in January of 1938 by Harold Timperly, a journalist in China during the Japanese invasion, based on reports from contemporary eyewitnesses. Other sources, including Iris Chang's The Rape of Nanking, also promote 300,000 as the death toll. In addition, on December 12, 2007, newly declassified U.S. government documents revealed an additional toll of around 500,000 in the area surrounding Nanking before it was occupied.[7]
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Originally posted by HumeA
Your point is?
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Originally posted by zeeblebotAnd this happening in 1938 is relevant to the dropping of an atomic bomb on an arguably defeated Japan in 1945?
obvious ...
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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
They needed to be shocked into sanity. These were people who believed enslaving women to be gang raped by abusive soldiers is the way to wage war. They needed brutality. That's what they understood at the time.
Originally posted by zeeblebot
[b]nope ...
http://en.wikiped ...[text shortened]... re it was occupied.[7]
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Originally posted by HumeA
Your point is?[/b]
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungThe Nanking massacres did not continue after 1938.
You think that this stopped in 1938? You're mistaken.
Yes, there were other terrible atrocities, but are you saying that you find mass-murder acceptable as a way to try to end it.
Who's the bigger fool? The fool, or the fool who follows him?
Who's more sane? People that engage in mass murder, or people that think mass murder is a way to induce sanity?
Originally posted by HumeAhere is the post ... ATY was -not- referring to Americans in the post you were replying to ...
And this happening in 1938 is relevant to the dropping of an atomic bomb on an arguably defeated Japan in 1945?
Originally posted by HumeA
HAHAHAHAHA!
Don't know if anyone has replied to this already, but great joke AThousandYoung. Shocking other people into sanity by using an atomic bomb. Priceless.
And I like the way you alluded to American treatment of PoWs and civilians with the gang rape bit. You are a very funny man.
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Originally posted by zeeblebotHmm, I thought the sarcasm would have carried. It's difficult on the net, but I thought I laid it on pretty strong... I was merely pointing out that a connection could be drawn.
here is the post ... ATY was -not- referring to Americans in the post you were replying to ...
Originally posted by HumeA
[b]HAHAHAHAHA!
Don't know if anyone has replied to this already, but great joke AThousandYoung. Shocking other people into sanity by using an atomic bomb. Priceless.
And I like the way you alluded to American treatment of PoWs and civilians with the gang rape bit. You are a very funny man.[/b]