@Cliff-Mashburn saidThe word on the street around here is that Maduro cabinet is in hiding.
Do you think they won't fall in line when they know they can be whisked away without warning? Or just arrested by their own people now that Maduro is gone?
@Cliff-Mashburn saidMany dunces out there dont understand how these things work. Prior to Chavez in 1998, Venezuela was the richest South American nation, people wwere prospering. In those days we travelled there to shop and sightsee. The place was far more developed than Trinidad and the people were happy. It was like Miami.
They were before Maduro took over. Venezuela had a strong economy, after Maduro, they all were starving.
Deposing him was a humanitarian act.
The US companies ran all the oil services and production. US ran all the utilities. There were some British companies as well. The place was booming under capitalism.
Fools like some we have on this site dont appreciate capitalism and want socialism. They got it, They chased out the foreign firms. Then came the suffering, crying and trying to get out.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidOn this planet, when the president is not duly elected in free and fair elections and is a tyrant.
On what planet is that humanitarian?
@Cliff-Mashburn saidYou are pathetically naive if you think just because a POS dictator is gone things go back to normal and Trump gets to 'Run' Venezuela?
They were before Maduro took over. Venezuela had a strong economy, after Maduro, they all were starving.
Deposing him was a humanitarian act.
Maduro had TEN YEARS to fill his government with sycophants and his motorcycle gestapo won't go away and the VP is now President and is refusing to deal with Trump. So good luck Trump 'running' Venezuela, another Trump wet dream.
They Stole OUR oil. What a POS Trump really is, a sociopath and malignant narcissist who shouldn't run a lemonaid stand much less a country or two.
So how do you think the Nobel prize committee will think of this latest bombing, now three countries he bombed, Nigeria, Iran and now Venezuela, yep, he has to be right up there in the top tier of candidates.
@AThousandYoung saidMaybe they think Gonzolez will take power idk they mentioned the election
Her husband speaks a little English. They think Machado will now take power.
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@sonhouse saidSo...your solution would have been to just let the people of Venezuela keep suffering under Maduro? Forever?
You are pathetically naive if you think just because a POS dictator is gone things go back to normal and Trump gets to 'Run' Venezuela?
Maduro had TEN YEARS to fill his government with sycophants and his motorcycle gestapo won't go away and the VP is now President and is refusing to deal with Trump. So good luck Trump 'running' Venezuela, another Trump wet dream.
They Sto ...[text shortened]... ed, Nigeria, Iran and now Venezuela, yep, he has to be right up there in the top tier of candidates.
@sonhouse saidI know how you feel. Its hard for a democrat to lose a fellow socialist. Biden was president and he did nothing to fix what Chavez and Maduro did. Why? They were buddies.
You are pathetically naive if you think just because a POS dictator is gone things go back to normal and Trump gets to 'Run' Venezuela?
Maduro had TEN YEARS to fill his government with sycophants and his motorcycle gestapo won't go away and the VP is now President and is refusing to deal with Trump. So good luck Trump 'running' Venezuela, another Trump wet dream.
They Sto ...[text shortened]... ed, Nigeria, Iran and now Venezuela, yep, he has to be right up there in the top tier of candidates.
@AThousandYoung saidI gather with some of you people it is better to use the correct words. Both parties in the US are capitalist oriented. One may lean towards socialist policies more than the other. The Democrat party leans towards socialist policies more than the Republicans. Eg:
What have the Democrats ever done that was socialist?
- they have more relaxed border policy making it easier for refugees or asylum seekers to enter
- the have more welfare programmes designed to help the needs
- they are more leinent towards countries like Cuba and Venezuela
This is leaning towards socialist policies.
@Rajk999 saidYou JUST wrote that welfare was not socialist.
I gather with some of you people it is better to use the correct words. Both parties in the US are capitalist oriented. One may lean towards socialist policies more than the other. The Democrat party leans towards socialist policies more than the Republicans. Eg:
- they have more relaxed border policy making it easier for refugees or asylum seekers to enter
- the have mor ...[text shortened]... ore leinent towards countries like Cuba and Venezuela
This is leaning towards socialist policies.
That's doublethink!
@AThousandYoung saidWelfare is leaning toward a principle of socialism.
You JUST wrote that welfare was not socialist.
That's doublethink!
It is not socialism which is public ownership of property.
If you lean towards it, that does not make you fully socialist.
All ssystems are mixed. The core feature of western economies are capitalist, but all these include socialist principles.
Dont know why you keep asking these questions and making comments which just appear to be confrontational rather then discussing.
@no1marauder saidThis may be something:
The weirdness continues:
"Venezuela’s Vice President Delcy Rodríguez said on state TV channel TeleSUR that the objective of what she described as regime change in Venezuela was to capture the country’s oil and natural resources. She later added that Venezuela stands ready to defend those resources.
Rodríguez, whom Trump said was sworn in as president and would be wo ...[text shortened]... .nbcnews.com/world/latin-america/live-blog/venezuela-explosions-trump-maduro-live-updates-rcna251053
@FranciscoPoleoR
Delcy Rodríguez and the core of the regime’s leadership are negotiating with the United States as we speak. This is not a sudden pivot. It is the result of a conclusion reached in Washington over months: the U.S. does not believe that María Corina Machado and the opposition have the operational capacity to seize power in Venezuela because they do not control, or meaningfully fracture, the military. If they did, power would have shifted immediately after the 2024 presidential election. It did not.
For a long period, U.S. officials, including Marco Rubio, were in constant communication with Machado and her team. They were asked repeatedly for proof of a concrete plan, not just to win power symbolically, but to retain it in practice: chain of command, military alignment, institutional control, day-after governance. The answers were consistently evasive, justified by security concerns, but never substantiated. At that point, from the U.S. government’s perspective, the opposition ceased to look like a viable transition mechanism and began to look like a political wager with no enforcement arm.
The plan now on the table is for Delcy Rodríguez to stabilize the country with U.S. backing and then call for general elections. This is not framed as an endorsement of the regime, but as a containment and transition strategy. Washington is explicit about one thing: this is not a partnership of equals. The United States is running the process, the lines are being managed through Rubio, and the leverage is entirely asymmetric. Delcy is the instrument, not the center of gravity.
U.S. officials also assess that Delcy’s harsh public rhetoric today was aimed inward, at the chavista base, not outward. That messaging is understood as domestic signaling. Nevertheless, as of now, negotiations with the United States are ongoing as we speak.
https://x.com/FranciscoPoleoR/status/2007629162513854895
@Rajk999 saidUsing these terms the way you have described them, clearly capitalism which leans toward socialism i.e. the Nordic model has empirically been shown to be the superior system. Why do you criticize this leaning?
Welfare is leaning toward a principle of socialism.
It is not socialism which is public ownership of property.
If you lean towards it, that does not make you fully socialist.
All ssystems are mixed. The core feature of western economies are capitalist, but all these include socialist principles.
Dont know why you keep asking these questions and making comments which just appear to be confrontational rather then discussing.
@Rajk999 saidWhat the FK are you on now? Meth? You think Maduro was a SOCIALIST? And you ignore ten years of putting in yes men in all government offices? Exactly where do you think the VP came from? A protester? She was Maduro's buddy so exactly how do you propose to change all THAT eh? Get rid of the motorcycle gestapo? Did you even know there IS a motorcycle gestapo much worse than ICE in the US, they don't just kidnap they KILL anyone who protests against Maduro and now the VP.
I know how you feel. Its hard for a democrat to lose a fellow socialist. Biden was president and he did nothing to fix what Chavez and Maduro did. Why? They were buddies.
Get real. You think that piddling 15k force waiting in the wings to attack, you really think a small army like that will take over a country of near 30 MILLION? Do you EVER think strategically? You really believe Trump is just going to "RUN" Venezuela because he just says so? What do you think would happen if those US troops landed onshore and started kicking ass, you think maybe they will have crowds throwing flowers at them in rejoicing? Good luck with THAT Trump wet dream.