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Originally posted by WildfireWildfire: If a country will not support its own people to the best of their abilility, how can we trust them to have nuclear capabilities?
First of all, it is not I, rather it is the country in which I reside in that is theoretically making these weapons for sattelite protection. Secondly, one of the reasons the U.S. criticizes North Korea and Iran about their nuclear intenti ...[text shortened]... ir abilility, how can we trust them to have nuclear capabilities?
I agree and since NO country I know of "supports its own people to the best of their ability", nuclear weapons should be abolished.
Originally posted by Wildfire"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
First of all, it is not I, rather it is the country in which I reside in that is theoretically making these weapons for sattelite protection. Secondly, one of the reasons the U.S. criticizes North Korea and Iran about their nuclear intentions is that the leaders of those countries simply cannot be trusted to make rational decisions that are for the benefit ...[text shortened]... own people to the best of their abilility, how can we trust them to have nuclear capabilities?
-Lord Acton (often credited to Orwell)
Anyone who feels we need more weapons capable of destruction on such a large scale isn't someone I will trust.
Originally posted by XanthosNZI never liked that quote. I prefer the slightly modified version.
"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
-Lord Acton (often credited to Orwell)
Anyone who feels we need more weapons capable of destruction on such a large scale isn't someone I will trust.
"Power attracts the corruptible and absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible."
However, I would agree with the bit about not needing more WMDs.
Originally posted by no1marauderYes, I agree with your sentiment that nuclear weapons should be abolished, however, there is severe problem with that effort. No country wants to relinquish a possible advantage over others, and if one nation does eliminate all of their nukes, then they could possibly be in serious danger of invasion.
Wildfire: If a country will not support its own people to the best of their abilility, how can we trust them to have nuclear capabilities?
I agree and since NO country I know of "supports its own people to the best of their ability", nuclear weapons should be abolished.
Nobody could stop Bush from entering Iraq. How can the world expect Bush to behave once he gets those weapons in space ? .. It's 5 more years of uncertainty for world peace. It's ironical how sharply contrasting is the nature of successive Prezs. Clinton almost created history by solving the middle-east crisis. While Dubya has just fomented trouble with his war-mongering ways.
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Originally posted by WildfireHow do you trust a country which has dropped nuclear weapons on two cities, has consistently led the arms race, regularly threatens to use nuclear weapons against coventionally armed opponents, is the world's largest weapons exporter, does not feel itself bound by the Geneva convention or the Anti Ballistic Missile Treaty and which has attacked many countries over the last fitty years?
First of all, it is not I, rather it is the country in which I reside in that is theoretically making these weapons for sattelite protection. Secondly, one of the reasons the U.S. criticizes North Korea and Iran about their nuclear intenti ...[text shortened]... ir abilility, how can we trust them to have nuclear capabilities?
Originally posted by steerpikeYou make it sound as if the United States is some terrorist country just waiting for the opportunity to attack an innocent nation that has done nothing wrong. The fact of the matter is, the U.S. has never attacked a nation without a cause, and granted, sometimes that cause may be a little misguided, but nevertheless, they still attempt to make every cause a noble one. As for your wild theory about the U.S. threatening to use nukes against conventially armed opponents, I almost choke with laughter as I attempt to find data to back up your claim. Also, the two nuclear weapons that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WW2 were set off before the United States had data on the long term effects of the bombs. I doubt the U.S. would have used the weapons if they knew what they know now.
How do you trust a country which has dropped nuclear weapons on two cities, has consistently led the arms race, regularly threatens to use nuclear weapons against coventionally armed opponents, is the world's largest weapons exporter, does not feel itself bound by the Geneva convention or the Anti Ballistic Missile Treaty and which has attacked many countries over the last fitty years?
Originally posted by WildfireAlways a cause - although sometimes 'misguided'. Even Hitler can claim a cause - and the invasion of Poland was sold to the Germans as protecting them from Polsih attack. And some of them with the same sort of dumbtrust in their country as you seem to have probably belived him.
You make it sound as if the United States is some terrorist country just waiting for the opportunity to attack an innocent nation that has done nothing wrong. The fact of the matter is, the U.S. has never attacked a nation without a cause, and granted, sometimes that cause may be a little misguided, but nevertheless, they still attempt to make every cause a ...[text shortened]... ects of the bombs. I doubt the U.S. would have used the weapons if they knew what they know now.
As for my wild claim about the U.S. threatening to use nukes against conventially armed opponents not being backed up, you did not look very far. The United States has already used nuclear weapons on a converntionally armed power, and has threatened nuclear strike agaisnt several countries- the last on Iraq on Jan 2003.
Originally posted by WildfireTry this:
Okay, then go to the article in steps. First go to www.space.com. Then click on the link "news." Then go to the article "Scientists Warn Against Weaponizing Space." If you follow the steps correctly, you should be able to access the article.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050520/ap_on_sc/un_space_weapons
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Originally posted by WildfireThey certainly knew the short term effects though.
You make it sound as if the United States is some terrorist country just waiting for the opportunity to attack an innocent nation that has done nothing wrong. The fact of the matter is, the U.S. has never attacked a nation without a cause, ...[text shortened]... U.S. would have used the weapons if they knew what they know now.
"I have become death, the destroyer of worlds." - Robert Oppenheimer.
Edit: Actually, Robert Oppenheimer did say this as he saw the mushroom cloud, but he recalled it from the Baghavad Gita.
Originally posted by lauseyThe immediate short term effect was the end of WWII.
They certainly knew the short term effects though.
"I have become death, the destroyer of worlds." - Robert Oppenheimer.
Edit: Actually, Robert Oppenheimer did say this as he saw the mushroom cloud, but he recalled it from the Baghavad Gita.
Originally posted by WildfireI never mentioned the US or claimed it was some terrorist country just waiting for the opportunity to attack an innocent nation.
You make it sound as if the United States is some terrorist country just waiting for the opportunity to attack an innocent nation that has done nothing wrong. The fact of the matter is, the U.S. has never attacked a nation without a cause, and granted, sometimes that cause may be a little misguided, but nevertheless, they still attempt to make every cause a ...[text shortened]... ects of the bombs. I doubt the U.S. would have used the weapons if they knew what they know now.
I am afraid you were the one who made that connection when I provided some history about your countries activities.
Originally posted by steerpikeTrue, I did make that connection, but it was your tone that led me to believe that.
I never mentioned the US or claimed it was some terrorist country just waiting for the opportunity to attack an innocent nation.
I am afraid you were the one who made that connection when I provided some history about your countries activities.