@averagejoe1 saiddid you just called quack a liberal?
True Lib. "Most, but certainly not all, live". Funny, I would have said "Few, but certainly not all, die".
Quack or Cracker Jack,, I surmise that you are a person who sees a glass half empty? Jesus, what IS it with you people? Why don't you say what you truly want? Marauder has been the closest to it, we all know what it is, but he dances around it. C'mon, spit it out;.
@quackquack saidObviously you have a fear of getting sick from a virus for a couple of weeks.
If you shoot yourself in the foot, you probably won't die either. Your injury will probably be expensive and you will not be able to your normal activity for a while. It will tie up doctors and there will be an opportunity cost of others not getting treatment at the moment. A million Americans each week getting sick is significant even if most of them live.
Not much we can discuss since you are such a fearful person.
@mchill saidI'm not anti vax. I am for it. What I am anti is the threat to my freedom. There is no other way to say that, so all you wrote above does not pertain to me. Note, however, that what you write above seems to imply that the Biden Administration is pushing to make a MANDATE for the shot, which is a violation of Freedom.
Do you have a ‘right’ to require me to Vax? You say I violate your Freedom? OK, let’s say you do have the right. You feel I put you at risk, so, Biden can make me Vax.
Dear Joe - I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here, but let's try this:
A. No one, including me, is going to force you to get COVID vaccinations.
B. No one, including me, is out to take ...[text shortened]... als are not out to take your freedom, your gun, your jeep, or your highway away.
Got it now?? 🙂
You misread the 'jeep' thing. I am in my proper lane on a 2-lane highway, I am using my cell phone and cross over into Bill Smith's lane and kill him outright, head-on. So to apply Dem logic, we should lose the freedom to drive so as to avoid someone accidentally dying,. I say everyone has to assume the risk of a lot things in society.
Funny you say that liberals are not out to take our guns. Why would you say that? Your own Suzianne would call that a lie!!! By golly.
@eladar saidand you obviously don't care if he gets sick.
Obviously you have a fear of getting sick from a virus for a couple of weeks.
Not much we can discuss since you are such a fearful person.
Not much we can discuss since you are such a dickish person.
It's interesting that you have no concern for the welfare of others. Koreeans, Japanese, used to wear masks pre-Covid just so they wouldn't infect others with the slightest cold. To them it was unacceptable to inconvenience the people around them in the slightest. You selfish bastards wouldn't lift a finger for others.
Weeks? You would condemn a fellow american to weeks of discomfort (even if it were just a flu, which it FUKIN isn't) so you don't have to vaccinate or wear a mask or whatever other "infringiment on your freedom" you snowflakes worry about?
@zahlanzi saidHe wrote that one like a lib, a bit of defeatist slant. My apologies for sure if I am wrong. I would like to see more freedom loving realists in the Forum, not dependent idealists. We are outnumbered!!!
did you just called quack a liberal?
Should he not have said what I suggested,....that there is no reason to dictate to the masses, to the common good, blah blah, if it usurps their freedom? That, though some will die, we should not trade in our freedom. When would it stop?
@zahlanzi saidI did not say that the jeep is 'on the wrong side of the road'. I veer into oncoming traffic.
"Do you have a ‘right’ to require me to Vax?"
yes
"You say I violate your Freedom?"
yes
"When I drive my Jeep on the highway, and you are in incoming traffic, you are definitely at risk to getting killed by a head-on. 🚘 "
Yet you are not allowed to drive on the wrong side of the road, or on the sidewalk or attach metal spike to your car. You are not allowed to drive a c ...[text shortened]... wear clothes, no matter how much you complain about someone infringing on your freedom to be naked.
@shavixmir saidShav, I am sending you a link herein, which proves he is TOTALLY controlled by handlers. You are wrong that he gets 'advice' from people around him. Shav, he takes ORDERS from people around him/.
Uh, I’m not wrong dude. It is exactly how it works.
I’m sure you as boss go to your workers and get them to vote on every measure you want to take before making a decision…
Many decisions can be put to the chambers in advance. Certainly.
However, there are decisions, in times of crisis for example, that need to be taken on the spot and examined later.
That is why yo ...[text shortened]... sers.
That your country voted for a geriatric says a lot about the alternative they were offered.
Here, they cut him off (again) yesterday in his OWN OFFICE when he is asked questions. And this is HuffPOST, not Fox News....they are a liberal paper.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-joe-biden-white-house_uk_614b04fde4b0efa77f876648
@zahlanzi saidThat same 'Fellow American' would allow his liberal president to tell me that I must take a vax shot. So in effect, HE is telling me that I have to take a shot. Zahlanzi, tell us, should he have a right to tell me to take a shot so that he can have a nice day?
and you obviously don't care if he gets sick.
Not much we can discuss since you are such a dickish person.
It's interesting that you have no concern for the welfare of others. Koreeans, Japanese, used to wear masks pre-Covid just so they wouldn't infect others with the slightest cold. To them it was unacceptable to inconvenience the people around them in the slightest. ...[text shortened]... accinate or wear a mask or whatever other "infringiment on your freedom" you snowflakes worry about?
@eladar saidI'd like to nominate your post as the dumbest one I've ever seen on this site and I'm pretty sure you don't believe it.
Getting sick is not a problem.
If something caused you lose an arm or a leg, but you lived would it not be a problem? If something gave you a brain injury or caused blindness would it not a problem? If something forced you to stay home for a week or more would it not be a problem? One million people per week getting sick from Covid, some die, some are hospitalized, some miss school, some miss work, some lose their sense of taste. To think its only a problem if you die is just wrong.
@quackquack saidAssuming the injuries were not intentional, the 'victim' was in a place or time where, through negligence or bad luck, he incurred these injuries. So given the fact of the injuries, please close your comment above and tell us how you, society, would effectuate a program, if you will, that would cause the injuries to not have occurred?????
I'd like to nominate your post as the dumbest one I've ever seen on this site and I'm pretty sure you don't believe it.
If something caused you lose an arm or a leg, but you lived would it not be a problem? If something gave you a brain injury or caused blindness would it not a problem? If something forced you to stay home for a week or more would it not be a problem? ...[text shortened]... e miss work, some lose their sense of taste. To think its only a problem if you die is just wrong.
Quackquack??
@quackquack saidQuack, there are a LOT of smart people in this country who are not-even-sure about the vaccine,, and I respect their not even wanting to take the shot. I took it. So, allow us alll our freedom to exist free? If Biden decided soda is bad for you,, which it is, but you love soda, would you be on here today saying you refuse to follow his mandate to not drink soda? Yes, you would. Choice. Libs have no inkling of choice and want govt to control their lives.
Can you answer one specific question: How many Americans need to get sick each week before you consider COVID a problem? I'd think a million a week is way past the threshold but I do wonder what you warped mind thinks.
Maybe you are in the middle, I respect that, but you seem to be OK with mandates, which is, to me, the issue. I'm not. They could take my shotguns, rifles next. I have a lot of them, I am shooting dove on Saturday.
To your point, everyone should get vaccinated or take their chances, like driving down the road with no seat belt. Ideally, a vaccinated person will not likely (very small chance) catch COVID. As they are of course catching it daily, they will likely Survive it, but I aint giving up my freedom on the off chance that this sloppy person dies. Were they obese? Smokers? Ate at McDonald's? ;What if you and I paid their hospital bills and found out later that they did not take care of themselves. Downer, don't you think?
@AverageJoe1
Freedom, quack quack. You won't find much of it in these threads, I am obliging you with it.
@averagejoe1 saidEpidemiologist who are clearly the expert in the field of pandemics recommend the vaccine. Its widely available, it has been given safely to 100s of millions of people and it is effective in the sense that it makes you far less likely to both get the disease or have death or serious symptoms. I'm not sure why you believe it wise to reject a readily available safe and effective method to prevent getting illness.
Quack, there are a LOT of smart people in this country who are not-even-sure about the vaccine,, and I respect their not even wanting to take the shot. I took it. So, allow us alll our freedom to exist free? If Biden decided soda is bad for you,, which it is, but you love soda, would you be on here today saying you refuse to follow his mandate to not drink soda? Y ...[text shortened]... ital bills and found out later that they did not take care of themselves. Downer, don't you think?
Your slippery slope McDonalds example is clearly distinguishable as one million Americans aren't getting sick from Mc Donalds each week.
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@quackquack saidThat get sick (get covid) becaise of poor diet, among all the other things. That is the point.
Epidemiologist who are clearly the expert in the field of pandemics recommend the vaccine. Its widely available, it has been given safely to 100s of millions of people and it is effective in the sense that it makes you far less likely to both get the disease or have death or serious symptoms. I'm not sure why you believe it wise to reject a readily available safe and eff ...[text shortened]... e is clearly distinguishable as one million Americans aren't getting sick from Mc Donalds each week.
There are many doctors who disagree with your epidemiologist
@averagejoe1 saidThere really is nothing to debate here because the consensus is pretty clear. Medical experts recommend the vaccine.
That get sick (get covid) becaise of poor diet, among all the other things. That is the point.
There are many doctors who disagree with your epidemiologist
If the government wants to limit the activities of those who the refuse the vaccine for health reasons, it is certainly well within the legitimate power of government.
Even for those of you who only care about deaths (and there are huge costs other than death), one in 500 people in this country have died from Covid, One in thirty five over the age of 85 have died. To me this outweighs any silly freedom argument a nonexpert like yourself articulates.