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Originally posted by ivanhoeYou should try posting one of your infamous news articles about the Vatican's latest stance on the Culture of Death. Those usually spark interesting debate.
At the moment there is no debate that is interesting to me.
Or maybe several pages of analysis that you copy from another source without citation. Then we can all debate where it came from, and the merits of performing one's own analysis, and how others' arguments should be used in supplement to, rather than in substituion for, one's own.
Originally posted by stammer
Politics: good. I've enjoyed my discussion of world poltiics here, especially the UK folks who can give me a viewpoint from the ground when my outlook on British Politics is limited to PMQ's each week and bbc.co.uk''s politcal page.
Politics of religion: don't care.
Oh I can go on forever about the political nature of religion and how it's prima ...[text shortened]... quent to constitute legitimate discourse.
Of course just my humble opinion, yours may vary 😉
I agree with you that there have been posters that were very able to give an interesting insight in UK politics. I miss them !
Ninety nine percent of the "religion" threads at present can be thrown into the waste basket, if you ask me.
If you feel like opening a thread on the political nature of religion would be great and adventurous. I am afraid however the thread would be polluted either by the one dimensional preachers who want to warn us for hell and damnation and the even more annoying stand-up comedians who want to have fun at other people's expense and do not intend to have any serious debate at all.
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Originally posted by ivanhoeWell, three of them are mine. Those three are:
Thanks. Could you tell me why you find them interesting ?
The Bible has some truth in it - I feel I have a strong point here which directly challenges Christianity and it's claims. I'd like to see if anyone can show me to be in error. I'd also like to convince people to be educated about and to make reasoned judgements of the legitimacy of Christianity's claims.
Bush's Lies vs Clinton's Lies - I found the Republican obsession with Clinton lying to be obnoxious, so I showed them that they are hypocrites for supporting Bush because he lied too. I'd like to see if anyone can challenge me here.
EDIT - At least I intended to show the hypocrisy, at least indirectly.
Iraq - Al Qa'ida and USA - The Middle Eastern Arab/Israeli/American conflicts and interrelations are extremely important, and I think peoples' opinions are generally too strong for their level of understanding of the situation. I myself feel ill informed about these issues. The observation I made leads into an analysis of what's going on over there which will help me and hopefully others make informed and reasonable decisions about what should be done over there.
Now as for those threads I did not start and am less likely to be biased about:
Does time have age ? - A fascinating question, because to me this seems a ridiculous concept - how can you measure a system of measurement and assign it a value according to itself? Yet some physicists who know far more than I talk about time beginning and ending. This makes no sense to me, so I'd like to understand the issue.
prejudice and racism - These are important issues and CalJust brought up a politically incorrect and dangerous yet legitimate and fairly common point of view which I am interested in exploring. I want to do so both to stamp out the false logic that can lead to racism as well as to acknowledge solid reasoning and legitimate ideas which are not talked about because they are unpopular.
Sifting sand, solid foundation - This has similarities to the above thread. KellyJay has some legitimate points which to some extent taboo or unpopular. I enjoyed examining them so that I can both clear up mistakes in his logic as well as acknowledge when he's right. And, of course, I'd like my logic looked at by others and to be exposed to points of view that will educate me.
All of these threads ask important questions which I find interesting, and for which I am interested in getting other people to have reasoned and educated perspectives on, because peoples' opinions of these issues lead to significant real world consequences.
Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
You should try posting one of your infamous news articles about the Vatican's latest stance on the Culture of Death. Those usually spark interesting debate.
Or maybe several pages of analysis that you copy from another source without citation. Then we can all debate where it came from, and the merits of performing one's own analysis, and how others' arguments should be used in supplement to, rather than in substituion for, one's own.
"Our dreams must be stronger than our memories. We must be pulled by our dreams, rater than pushed by our memories."
Jesse Jackson
Marinakatomb -
I hear you there. Someone needs to start a debate that brings christians and non-christians together to see what they have in common, rather than what makes them different.
This is difficult, because to do so we can't talk about science, religion, morality, or even politics without splitting things down an axis that has the Christian zealots all on one side vs. many of the rest of us.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI'll start a thread about this. That should be interesting.
Marinakatomb -
[b]I hear you there. Someone needs to start a debate that brings christians and non-christians together to see what they have in common, rather than what makes them different.
This is difficult, because to do so we can't talk about science, religion, morality, or even politics without splitting things down an axis that has the Christian zealots all on one side vs. many of the rest of us.[/b]
Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Well, three of them are mine. Those three are:
[b]The Bible has some truth in it - I feel I have a strong point here which directly challenges Christianity and it's claims. I'd like to see if anyone can show me to be in error. I'd also like to convince people to be educated about and to make reasoned judgements of the legitimacy of Christ ...[text shortened]... es on, because peoples' opinions of these issues lead to significant real world consequences.
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I am 100% sure there are a lot more people like you on the site who have the same attitude regarding debating on the forums. I hope they will come forward and speak out for themselves and for having serious, interesting and meaningfull debates.
Originally posted by marinakatombSure, try to get the guy with a big gleaming cross as his avatar to discuss something other than religion 🙄
I hear you there. Someone needs to start a debate that brings christians and non-christians together to see what they have in common, rather than what makes them different.
Originally posted by ivanhoeHere's a debate for ya, Ivanhoe. What makes your stomach turn more -- Christian Evangelism or Self-Righteous Know-it-alls? I could discuss this at length with you, if you'd like. You could probably learn a thing or two, for once.
At the moment there is no debate that is interesting to me. Maybe I'm missing something. That's why I ask.
Most debates on RHP are great fun to read and there are some very entertaining posters, Christians and Atheists alike. That being said, anything that discusses religion is boring and has been done to death. Christian Evangelists should be mercilessly mocked on this forum since they don't debate, only preach, and to be persecuted for one's faith is grounds for reward in Heaven. So it's a win-win situation, really.
Originally posted by darvlay
Here's a debate for ya, Ivanhoe. What makes your stomach turn more -- Christian Evangelism or Self-Righteous Know-it-alls? I could discuss this at length with you, if you'd like. You could probably learn a thing or two, for once.
Most debates on RHP are great fun to read and there are some very entertaining posters, Christians and Atheists alike. Th ...[text shortened]... secuted for one's faith is grounds for reward in Heaven. So it's a win-win situation, really.
I can learn a lot from you Darvlay .... slang for instance and of course how not to be a Self-Righteous Know it all ....... I thank you Darvlay.
Originally posted by ivanhoeOnce again, Ivie, you can open a thread for yourself and
.... can you give any examples, Nemmie ?
see if the criteria I described is met. If it is, then you know
that it is a thread that is one of my 'least favorites.'
You never asked for a 'bibliography' in your original question;
when I posted I had no intention of giving one. I was only
giving you an insight into what kind of thread that I don't like.
Nemesio
Originally posted by Nemesio
Once again, Ivie, you can open a thread for yourself and
see if the criteria I described is met. If it is, then you know
that it is a thread that is one of my 'least favorites.'
You never asked for a 'bibliography' in your original question;
when I posted I had no intention of giving one. I was only
giving you an insight into what kind of thread that I don't like.
Nemesio
You're a difficult person to work with. I tell ya .....