Originally posted by kirksey957Kirk: " Yep, it takes commitment."
I would give her $10,000 if it were that important to me. But the money, to put it bluntly, is for services rendered. It is payment for carrying the child for 9 months, keeping her prenatal appointments, and a sign of commitment from the adopting party. Perhaps the adopting couple could receive some tax incentives as well. Again, the important thing I ...[text shortened]... es Dobson? Wait, what are all these gay and lesbian couples lining up for? More power to them.
I almost missed this one in your above post. It reminds me of the Story of the Rich Young Ruler. It is about commitment ..... to God.
Originally posted by ivanhoeIs my interpretation of that still bothering you? My problem isn't commitment. It is perfectionism, so I will stick to my original interpretation of that passage.
Kirk: " Yep, it takes commitment."
I almost missed this one in your above post. It reminds me of the Story of the Rich Young Ruler. It is about commitment ..... to God.
Originally posted by kirksey957Kirk: "It is perfectionism, so I will stick to my original interpretation of that passage."
Is my interpretation of that still bothering you? My problem isn't commitment. It is perfectionism, so I will stick to my original interpretation of that passage.
I remember this perfectly. You claimed that God didn't like perfectionism. If perfectionism is interpretated in the biblical sense of "being without sin" how on earth can you claim that God doesn't like perfectionism. I hope you are not talking about some psychological disorder here, if you use the term "perfectionism". Or about some annoying "urge" of wanting the paintings in a room on the exact same distance from the floor. What do you mean when you say "perfectionism"? Can you give an example ?
When I suggested a separate religious forum a few weeks ago, I was only being half serious. I'm deadly serious now. The debates forum is a desert. The utter obsession with religion has already driven away many of the people who used to have interesting things to say and no doubt more will follow.
Rich.
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Originally posted by richhoeyWell said Rich, and I agree completely.
When I suggested a separate religious forum a few weeks ago, I was only being half serious. I'm deadly serious now. The debates forum is a desert. The utter obsession with religion has already driven away many of the people who used to ha ...[text shortened]... interesting things to say and no doubt more will follow.
Rich.
I would like to see more discussion of "possible futures" of our small little world.
What will be the consequence of our planet warming again?
Where will people move to [in order to] get out of the water?
How long will our hydrocarbons last?
Is Hydrogen a good energy source? If so, explain where the tremendous energies to make it from water are going to come from.
Anyway, I wish we could get a bit more into the future and not worry so much about a bunch of dead gods and stuff. Poor Zeus.
Mike
Originally posted by ivanhoeThe passage in question is an excellent example. No answer was good enough. Jesus gave him an answer and it wasn't good enough. I call it "yes, but" theology.
Kirk: "It is perfectionism, so I will stick to my original interpretation of that passage."
I remember this perfectly. You claimed that God didn't like perfectionism. If perfectionism is interpretated in the biblical sense of "being without sin" how on earth can you claim that God doesn't like perfectionism. I hope you are not talking about some psy ...[text shortened]... e from the floor. What do you mean when you say "perfectionism"? Can you give an example ?
Originally posted by kirksey957
The passage in question is an excellent example. No answer was good enough. Jesus gave him an answer and it wasn't good enough. I call it "yes, but" theology.
You understand I have some catching up to do after my digital friend decided to crash a while ago.
What is "yes, but" theology ?
Originally posted by ivanhoe"Yes, but" theology is that which already has a preconceived idea of what is right and patronizes outside ideas with "yes, but." The answer is already known and the individual is impervious to outside contamination. I'm sure that you will not have to search these forums long before you can find an example of this.
You understand I have some catching up to do after my digital friend decided to crash a while ago.
What is "yes, but" theology ?
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Originally posted by kirksey957Kirk: " The answer is already known and the individual is impervious to outside contamination. I'm sure that you will not have to search these forums long before you can find an example of this."
"Yes, but" theology is that which already has a preconceived idea of what is right and patronizes outside ideas with "yes, but." The answer is already known and the individual is impervious to outside contamination. I'm sure tha ...[text shortened]... o search these forums long before you can find an example of this.
So, let's look for one ........
Kirk: "It is perfectionism, so I will stick to my original interpretation of that passage."
Is this an example or didn't I search long enough ?
Originally posted by ivanhoeYou didant search long enough.
Kirk: " The answer is already known and the individual is impervious to outside contamination. I'm sure that you will not have to search these forums long before you can find an example of this."
So, let's look for one ........
Kirk: "It is perfectionism, so I will stick to my original interpretation of that passage."
Is this an example or didn't I search long enough ?
Originally posted by ivanhoeNo, you haven't looked long enough, but I will try to help you by using an example by me which I know you will be glad to see as it is important to see me as a hipocrit. OK, here goes.
Kirk: " The answer is already known and the individual is impervious to outside contamination. I'm sure that you will not have to search these forums long before you can find an example of this."
So, let's look for one ........
Kirk: "It is perfectionism, so I will stick to my original interpretation of that passage."
Is this an example or didn't I search long enough ?
"Yes, I see what you are saying, but don't you think it is more likely that it means......."
"No, because the Greek translation of the word means........."
"Yes, but in the context of the times one must consider......."
"No, the context is very clear as to what he is talking about."
"Yes, but don't you think the context needs to have a current application."
Did you see how often "yes, but" entered in this discussion?
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Originally posted by kirksey957I try to put all this in the context of the story of the Rich Young Ruler, I mean this "Yes, but" theology, but I simply cannot ........ I simply don't understand. You have stated you are sticking to your interpretation. That's all right. My aim is to understand what you are saying. I simply don't understand your interpretation. I cannot possibly see how your interpretation is based on the text and can be placed within the context which is the Gospel.
No, you haven't looked long enough, but I will try to help you by using an example by me which I know you will be glad to see as it is important to see me as a hipocrit. OK, here goes.
"Yes, I see what you are saying, but don't yo ...[text shortened]...
Did you see how often "yes, but" entered in this discussion?
Your interpretation is an example of what in the German language is called "hineininterpretieren".
Originally posted by ivanhoeDoes that mean "out your ass interpretation?" 🙂 OK, let me sleep on it and I will try to come up with a more thorough answer. But for the moment I would simply say that the richness of this text is evident by the many possible interpretations it evokes.
I try to put all this in the context of the story of the Rich Young Ruler, I mean this "Yes, but" theology, but I simply cannot ........ I simply don't understand. You have stated you are sticking to your interpretation. That's all right. My aim is to understand what you are saying. I simply don't understand your interpretation. I cannot possibly see ho ...[text shortened]... nterpretation is an example of what in the German language is called "hineininterpretieren".