@metal-brain saidNo all fascists are fascists Stalin was a fascist who inherited a usurped socialist revolution from Lenin.
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All fascists are capitalists.
Fascism is not an economic theory it simply subjugates capitalism or socialism to the will of the fascist leadership.
It’s no coincidence that it formed as an ideology during the death throes of the European imperial dynastic system.
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Stop being stupid. Stalin was a socialist. Socialists are not fascists.
Nobody fought the Nazis harder than Stalin. You are at the height of your stupidity.
You don't know left from right. Totalitarianism can be left or right. If fascism and totalitarianism were the same thing we would have no need for the term "fascism".
Stop calling leftists fascists. Everybody with common sense knows fascism is the far right.
@metal-brain saidNo he was definitely a fascist dictator who eliminated not just actually enemies but those his addled mind thought might be competition in the future, he culled his top generals prior to WWII as well as engineering a famine in the Ukraine that killed millions.
@kevcvs57
Stop being stupid. Stalin was a socialist. Socialists are not fascists.
Nobody fought the Nazis harder than Stalin. You are at the height of your stupidity.
You don't know left from right. Totalitarianism can be left or right. If fascism and totalitarianism were the same thing we would have no need for the term "fascism".
Stop calling leftists fascists. Everybody with common sense knows fascism is the far right.
I don’t know where you learned about socialism but it’s definitely not what socialists do.
@metal-brain saidJust look in an encyclopedia.
Define fascism then. All fascists are capitalists, right?
What makes a capitalist a fascist? Teach me some political science so I know.
We’ve defined it a hundred times for you.
@metal-brain saidLeft, by definition, is about empowering and benefiting citizens, not government. For example, socialism. So you can't have a totalitarian left, even if that government enacts certain leftist policies.
You don't know left from right. Totalitarianism can be left or right.
@kevcvs57 saidWRONG!
No he was definitely a fascist dictator who eliminated not just actually enemies but those his addled mind thought might be competition in the future, he culled his top generals prior to WWII as well as engineering a famine in the Ukraine that killed millions.
I don’t know where you learned about socialism but it’s definitely not what socialists do.
Totalitarianism is independent of left and right. To say totalitarianism is only right wing is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. If that were true the extreme left should be the most free of all, so why don't you become a Marxist? After all, if everything right is totalitarianism Marxists must be the polar opposite and the most liberating of all.
Is that what you think? Only right wingers are totalitarianists?
Marxist must be saints then, right? All leftists are for freedom.
@shavixmir saidPost the definition here. Do you think all encyclopedia definitions are exactly the same? Is fascism totalitarianism? Are they the same thing? Yes or no?
Just look in an encyclopedia.
We’ve defined it a hundred times for you.
@vivify saidYour message is confusing and contradictory. What are you trying to say?
Left, by definition, is about empowering and benefiting citizens, not government. For example, socialism. So you can't have a totalitarian left, even if that government enacts certain leftist policies.
Are you saying governments that provide their people universal health care cannot possibly be totalitarianism? Russia provides Russians universal health care, yet people are calling Russia a fascist regime. That is stupid, right? Cuba, North Korea and Russia take care of the health of people in those countries. Does that mean none of those 3 countries is totalitarian or are they totalitarian despite taking care of their people's health?
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@metal-brain saidThe basis of Marxism is dialectic materialism.
WRONG!
Totalitarianism is independent of left and right. To say totalitarianism is only right wing is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. If that were true the extreme left should be the most free of all, so why don't you become a Marxist? After all, if everything right is totalitarianism Marxists must be the polar opposite and the most liberating of all.
Is tha ...[text shortened]... ght wingers are totalitarianists?
Marxist must be saints then, right? All leftists are for freedom.
So, any form of boss-worker relationship causes friction, friction leads to change, ergo, only when there is no more boss-worker relationship is there no friction and stability.
So, from the economic and political perspective, one must devolve power or create friction which will lead to change.
Totalitarianism, as the name suggests, is the exact opposite of devolving power. Indeed, it’s centralising it to the extreme. This will lead to extreme polirisation… extreme friction.. more change.
So, totalitarianism is actually the exact opposite of Marxism / communism.
Was the USSR totalitarian? Well, ask anyone who spoke out against Stalin or Beria.
So, yes. Yes it was. Therefore, the USSR cannot be deemed communist. In fact, it moved, politically, from the early 20’s to the 70’s in the exact opposite direction.
If not communism, what was it then?
Well, basically, you can see that the government took over the role of businesses: telling workers what to do and when to do it. It dictated wages, etc.
So, generally speaking, it was more like a state-run capitalist set-up. Where basically the company CEO’s were the political elite.
You can even draw a few comparisons with fascism, because of the totalitarian element in it. And, as mentioned, it has parallels with the corporate world. So, technically, the USSR was a form of right-wing government.
A communist regime-check is answering the following question: “Do the workers (the people who actually produce) control production and have an equal say in distribution?”
If the answer is no (and in the USSR… and by the way, national socialist regimes answer no) then it is not communist.
@metal-brain saidMerely having some left-wing policies doesn't automatically make make you leftist. Bernie Sanders profiting from a book deal doesn't automatically make him a capitalist right-winger.
Your message is confusing and contradictory. What are you trying to say?
Are you saying governments that provide their people universal health care cannot possibly be totalitarianism? Russia provides Russians universal health care, yet people are calling Russia a fascist regime. That is stupid, right? Cuba, North Korea and Russia take care of the health of people in th ...[text shortened]... e 3 countries is totalitarian or are they totalitarian despite taking care of their people's health?
A nationalistic authoritarian government with a rich ruling class like Russia isn't leftist just because they practiced a form of socialism.
It's not hard to understand.
@shavixmir saidI said socialist, not communist. I never called Russia a communist country. They never made the transition from socialism to communism. For that reason alone your whole post is irrelevant.
The basis of Marxism is dialectic materialism.
So, any form of boss-worker relationship causes friction, friction leads to change, ergo, only when there is no more boss-worker relationship is there no friction and stability.
So, from the economic and political perspective, one must devolve power or create friction which will lead to change.
Totalitarianism, as the ...[text shortened]... no (and in the USSR… and by the way, national socialist regimes answer no) then it is not communist.
The USSR has the word socialist in it, not communist.
@vivify said"A nationalistic authoritarian government with a rich ruling class like Russia isn't leftist just because they practiced a form of socialism."
Merely having some left-wing policies doesn't automatically make make you leftist. Bernie Sanders profiting from a book deal doesn't automatically make him a capitalist right-winger.
A nationalistic authoritarian government with a rich ruling class like Russia isn't leftist just because they practiced a form of socialism.
It's not hard to understand.
It doesn't make them extreme right wingers either. Are you claiming that Russia has a right wing government? If so, what about Russia makes them right wing?