This is not a new principle; the SCOTUS stated it as long ago as 1903:
"Therefore it is not competent for the Secretary of the Treasury or any executive officer, at any time within the year limited by the statute, arbitrarily to cause an alien who has entered the country, and has become subject in all respects to its jurisdiction, and a part of its population, although alleged to be illegally here, to be taken into custody and deported without giving him all opportunity to be heard upon the questions involving his right to be and remain in the United States. No such arbitrary power can exist where the principles involved in due process of law are recognized.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/189/86/ at page 101
@no1marauder saidI'm sure all that is correct. So what do we do then. Trump has GOT to be able to rid the country of illegals, who mainly have done nothing more than Trump's misdemeanor in NYC.
This is not a new principle; the SCOTUS stated it as long ago as 1903:
"Therefore it is not competent for the Secretary of the Treasury or any executive officer, at any time within the year limited by the statute, arbitrarily to cause an alien who has entered the country, and has become subject in all respects to its jurisdiction, and a part of its population, [ ...[text shortened]... rocess of law are recognized.[/b]
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/189/86/ at page 101
WHY oh why do you defend having illegal people, some murderous gang members (I think they are just a bit more murderous that our gang members, the crypps, etc.)wander aimlessly here, with great threat??? And they DO have aim, a lot of aim.
You are not the least upset with the actual physical part of all this, you are all about how good you are with Lexis and telling us all about the law. YOU NEVER once lament how easy it is for these aiiens to take advantage of us.
Hey how bout AOC, raving abut Oligarchy at rally, and leaving on a private jet plane. She'd arrived first class. Marauder!?!??!
@AverageJoe1 saidThere's a reason for that, Nimrod.
I smell a rat. Notice that each of Sueann's posts have been given thumbs up.
@AverageJoe1 saidPeople who commit serious crimes should be punished.
I'm sure all that is correct. So what do we do then. Trump has GOT to be able to rid the country of illegals, who mainly have done nothing more than Trump's misdemeanor in NYC.
WHY oh why do you defend having illegal people, some murderous gang members (I think they are just a bit more murderous that our gang members, the crypps, etc.)wander aimlessly here, with ...[text shortened]... Oligarchy at rally, and leaving on a private jet plane. She'd arrived first class. Marauder!?!??!
People who have come here fleeing oppression and poverty who have done nothing worse than worked and raised their families should be given a path to citizenship.
The fact that you have become convinced because of your own simple minded gullibility that immigrants are responsible for some massive crime wave that doesn't exist doesn't change those positions.
@AverageJoe1 saidNo, not 'The Simpleton's Reason'.
That's my point. Some underground subterfuge, we cant get away from you people.
People have tried to float that one before, too.
Think just a little more. Or, in your case, just think, if you can.
@no1marauder saidAbsolutely.
People who commit serious crimes should be punished.
People who have come here fleeing oppression and poverty who have done nothing worse than worked and raised their families should be given a path to citizenship.
The fact that you have become convinced because of your own simple minded gullibility that immigrants are responsible for some massive crime wave that doesn't exist doesn't change those positions.
I just don't know how we can make this clear enough for some people.
Oh, yeah, because racism.
@no1marauder said"Should be given a path to citizenship (in the United States of America)."
People who commit serious crimes should be punished.
People who have come here fleeing oppression and poverty who have done nothing worse than worked and raised their families should be given a path to citizenship.
The fact that you have become convinced because of your own simple minded gullibility that immigrants are responsible for some massive crime wave that doesn't exist doesn't change those positions.
Should all of the citizens of Uganda, Chad, Sudan Brurundi and Malawi be given a path to citizenship (in the United States of America).??
finally a question so simple tht even you can answer it.
@AverageJoe1 saidYes, you racist POS
"Should be given a path to citizenship (in the United States of America)."
Should all of the citizens of Uganda, Chad, Sudan Brurundi and Malawi be given a path to citizenship (in the United States of America).??
finally a question so simple tht even you can answer it.
@AverageJoe1 saidWhy did you chose those countries? Why not Norway, Sweden and Denmark?
"Should be given a path to citizenship (in the United States of America)."
Should all of the citizens of Uganda, Chad, Sudan Brurundi and Malawi be given a path to citizenship (in the United States of America).??
finally a question so simple tht even you can answer it.
The answer to either group of countries would be "no" but given that this nation presently has a serious shortage of workers and young people we should be encouraging immigration not wanting to be rid of those already here and being productive.
@no1marauder saidWhy those countries? Obvious. Look up poorest countries, these are the first listed. Sorry about misguided inference of race.
Why did you chose those countries? Why not Norway, Sweden and Denmark?
The answer to either group of countries would be "no" but given that this nation presently has a serious shortage of workers and young people we should be encouraging immigration not wanting to be rid of those already here and being productive.
Racism is gone
@AverageJoe1 saidCriminals gone. Ok, what are you suggesting? Take American citizens before they are even tried in court, disappear them to El Salvador?
The ‘you word 3 times.
What about the question presented?
Is that what you want?
Or wait till they are convicted, THEN disappear them to a concentration camp somewhere?
I gather you think, since this is just another distraction to hide the vile, despicable, unconscionable incompetence and corrupt activities of your Lord Trump all the above is just fine with you.
Like I said, just the words of a professional Troll.
@AverageJoe1 saidYou are equating DEPORTATION with sending people to El Salvador Gulag WITH NO DUE PROCESS.
CNN poll today.....majority of Americans in favor of deportations. I sure wish they would say why they want people illegally in our country to leave.
You remember that bit in the CONSTITUTION? PERSONS, not just US citizens are entitled to DUE PROCESS, to be able to go before a court and plea your case.
So how many of those in El Salvador got that chance, EH?
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@sonhouse saidGolly, Constitution not withstanding, I just cannot let it be the guide of my conscience when it comes to lawbreakers. Maruader said illegality is only a misdemeanor. Does that change everyting? Is rape or murder a midsdemeanotr? I have to choose between watching them, or studying the constitution in my local library that I am scared to walk to.
You are equating DEPORTATION with sending people to El Salvador Gulag WITH NO DUE PROCESS.
You remember that bit in the CONSTITUTION? PERSONS, not just US citizens are entitled to DUE PROCESS, to be able to go before a court and plea your case.
So how many of those in El Salvador got that chance, EH?
Hey, what is that senator REALLY doing, to travel there to shake his hand? PR? Has Garcia done anything to prove he is not an M-13? Would that not be a logical thing for him to do? Strip to exhibit tattoos would be a start. And what is our concern if an illegal could have trouble with this own counrty if he is sent back?? What in the world? Don't his choices control his fate?
Need I remind you of constitutional pragmatism in efforts to interpret it? All things said and done, I submit that our founders did not know that Biden would VIOLATE his presidential constitutional obligations, (letting them break the law). I submit that you fellows cannot use the same document to defend the lawbreakers.
Case rested.
Marauder says their illegal invasion is only a misdemeanor. Why does Marauder not say the Trump improper journal entries were misdemeanors.???? Y'all are one group of hypocrit4s.