@AverageJoe1 saidThanks for agreeing with me, but Trump's removals of Venezuelans and other migrants without due process is based on his claim that there is an "invasion" of the country triggering the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. Admitting that the Framers "understanding of “invasion” did not pertain to mere travel or migration from one country to another" destroys that argument and makes all such removals unconstitutional even if the administration had actually given the required notice and due process (which they, of course, did not).
Good stuff, reminds me of class. But your posts are defeated, rendered moot, if we find that the illegals were not invading!
According to the 1763 printing of the work, to invade was to “attack or set upon.” To “set upon” meant to make a sudden and unexpected physical attack, which is similar to how the phrase is widely used today. Similarly, another dictionary, printe ...[text shortened]... understanding of “invasion” did not pertain to mere travel or migration from one country to another.
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@sonhouse saidBut I am so confused ].....as we all are. No one knows. Just when I decide that we should not deport any persons who came here illegally, THIS pops up. I am about to eat my hat, I do not know what way to turn. Let them stay, send them ome, let them in , send them home,, etc
You really don't get the part where the constitution says PERSON, that means ANYONE here. NOT WHITE FOLKS or Black folks but EVERY FRIGGING ONE.
What the HELL is wrong with you? You are clearly saying SCREW the constitution, it means nothing now that my Lord Trump is in power, since he rules over ALL of it AND the courts. How ELSE am I supposed to interpret what you write as a pro Troll?
How bout you find one that suits you and Marauder?
"But the immigration power has proven less than absolute when directed at aliens already physically present within the United States"". Just found that on google. A lot of stuff, depending on your mood, can be copied from the internet and shared with your friends!!!!! One senator does not want to pay tutitions, He IS A FOOL, and some want to pay tutitions...He is Correct!!!!! by God!!!
I am just a wreck, I want them to be here , doing whatever they do (....What do they do).. but everything is so debatable. Then you throw in black or white folks, and i just run screaming. Then presidential powers....should the Court dictate pres powers???? What other powers of the President can the SCOTUS dictate?? Did I say dictate???? Now we have to consider that SCOTUS can dictate. Jesus.
@AverageJoe1 saidGarcia wasn't here illegally:
How can a person kidnap someone who is illegally in the place from which they are kidnapped???? ( Please re-read this, my question, so that the issue may sink into your pea-sized brain!!!!!!) (oops, sorry, got carried away, please forgive me for personal attack, you would ever do that to me!)
Anyone!?!?!? SHouse will not answer my question, he is a raver, he does not answer questions, he raves. Can someone answer this question??
"An immigration judge barred Abrego Garcia from being sent to El Salvador, saying he proved he had a “well-founded fear of future persecution” from local gangs. The court granted withholding of removal as long as he checked in with authorities annually, something he attested to doing in court filings. This gave him legal status in the United States temporarily and allowed him to receive a work permit."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kilmar-abrego-garcia-deported-el-salvador-trump-immigration-what-know-rcna201708
@no1marauder saidBut we will never know, since the 1790's left us with confusion, as I pointed out in the paragraph I put just above in SHOuse post.
Thanks for agreeing with me, but Trump's removals of Venezuelans and other migrants without due process is based on his claim that there is an "invasion" of the country triggering the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. Admitting that the Framers "understanding of “invasion” did not pertain to mere travel or migration from one country to another" destroys that argument and makes a ...[text shortened]... inistration had actually given the required notice and due process (which they, of course, did not).
Funny....You are so black and white about the 'way it should be'......There are reams of discussion among people more well-versed, let us say, than Shouse, with different opinions. Some say to give them nothing, they are not supposed to be here.......that is my camp. So, I will go with the ones who do not make slight our valuable cherished citizenships. You Marauder, think NOTHING of USA citizenship, and want to hand out rights like candy. Creepy, Karl, You are Creepy. It is obvious, your intent to be Marx, but......why? How about preaching self-reliance??? Not dependence.........................which you preach.
Marauder looks down on you all. He wants you to get in line, follow his preachings. Brrrrrrr. No free thinkers. Free stuff? That means govt owns you.
Think about it. He and Sue say we are all brothers. Do you think that>? Garcia your bro, is he?
If sue says i am brother to some guy who has a tattoo, I most assuredly am not. AvJoe is bro to no tattooed person. Someone start a thread on tattoo
@no1marauder saidA judge said he 'proved something'. I can prove that Lia Thomas is a boy. Do I have to be a judge? Magistrate level??. Don't make us start puking.
Garcia wasn't here illegally:
"An immigration judge barred Abrego Garcia from being sent to El Salvador, saying he proved he had a “well-founded fear of future persecution” from local gangs. The court granted withholding of removal as long as he checked in with authorities annually, something he attested to doing in court filings. [b]This gave him legal status in the U ...[text shortened]... ws.com/news/us-news/kilmar-abrego-garcia-deported-el-salvador-trump-immigration-what-know-rcna201708
@no1marauder said"Subject to the Jurisdiction of the United States..." An interesting concept in this matter....., for to be so subject would mean that no such person could have any allegiance to another country.
Thanks for agreeing with me, but Trump's removals of Venezuelans and other migrants without due process is based on his claim that there is an "invasion" of the country triggering the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. Admitting that the Framers "understanding of “invasion” did not pertain to mere travel or migration from one country to another" destroys that argument and makes a ...[text shortened]... inistration had actually given the required notice and due process (which they, of course, did not).
You can't be both. Do you follow? So, our courts or whomever look at these lawbreaking aliens as having allegiance to, say, Mexico, and thus the rules of our jurisdictions do not have to be followed by our country regarding these aliens.
We owe them nothing.
Carry on.
@AverageJoe1
You know, for almost one hundred years people have been asking how it could have happened that an Austrian painter threw the world into another world war. One hundred years of asking how people could accept it and support it.
And here we have you. A clear cut case of someone who's against the rule of law and the Constitution because he thinks it's okay as long as it happens to someone else. One who even supports the evil people in charge as they destroy people's lives and society to better control it. You would have been a brown coat in the 1930s. You.
@AverageJoe1 saidThe Founders believed that rights couldn't be "handed out"; everyone has them at birth. See the Declaration of Independence.
But we will never know, since the 1790's left us with confusion, as I pointed out in the paragraph I put just above in SHOuse post.
Funny....You are so black and white about the 'way it should be'......There are reams of discussion among people more well-versed, let us say, than Shouse, with different opinions. Some say to give them nothing, they are not supposed to ...[text shortened]... oo, I most assuredly am not. AvJoe is bro to no tattooed person. Someone start a thread on tattoo
I concur in this belief, you disagree with this principle the nation was founded on.
The rest is just your usual stupidity and ranting.
@AverageJoe1 saidIF the President alone can "dictate" what his powers are, the country is a dictatorship.
But I am so confused ].....as we all are. No one knows. Just when I decide that we should not deport any persons who came here illegally, THIS pops up. I am about to eat my hat, I do not know what way to turn. Let them stay, send them ome, let them in , send them home,, etc
How bout you find one that suits you and Marauder?
"But the immigration power has prov ...[text shortened]... he SCOTUS dictate?? Did I say dictate???? Now we have to consider that SCOTUS can dictate. Jesus.
That's not what the Framers created.
@Lundos saidTry to view it from our perspective. You are the ones who are the brown coats. AOC and Bernie. Do they exhibit strength? All AOC wants is popularity. You have no leader with policies. Newsome thinks he is Tom Cruise.
@AverageJoe1
You know, for almost one hundred years people have been asking how it could have happened that an Austrian painter threw the world into another world war. One hundred years of asking how people could accept it and support it.
And here we have you. A clear cut case of someone who's against the rule of law and the Constitution because he thinks it's okay as lon ...[text shortened]... people's lives and society to better control it. You would have been a brown coat in the 1930s. You.
Trump is very serious, and I do not see why his policies are upsetting. He wants self reliance, and he abhors waste. Reduced government is less waste. Bernie has a need for big government to accomplish his handout programs. People on the receiving end of such programs become dependents.
You are in favor of providing such programs, which you gives you an added benefit of owning these people. Which gets me to your statement. Hitler owned his subjects. The perfect cult. Trump is nowhere near a cult.
It is absolutely astounding to me that 12M people that we do not know became part of our (citizenry, according to Marauder, and welcome to live here) with just a wave of the hand of Biden. Hitler waved his hand. Show us where Trump is waving his hand. Just which of his policies violates the Constitution.
Try doing one not migrant-related. We are too much into the mire (with very smart constitutional people disagreeing) about what to do with these people. Meanwhile, AOC charges your people to fly in private jets, and the Maine Senator charged us, the taxpayers, for his photo op with the gang member in Salvador,,,,,and other senators are planning to spend some of the same money and do the same trip.
I would not like it if some republican wannabe stepped into the limelight for aggrandizement. We don't work like that. we are busy. Bernie and AOC...busy? Yeah real busy. Kamala was really on it, too. Whew. What a bunch of faeries.
@no1marauder said? The president has powers. We learned that watching Biden, who delegated the powers to his unknowns in the administration, who in turn told him what to do. What a dam mess. Anyway, pres has powers. Don't get your point. Oh, is it that you want The PEOPLE to have powers?
IF the President alone can "dictate" what his powers are, the country is a dictatorship.
That's not what the Framers created.
@AverageJoe1 saidThe President has only the powers the Constitution gives him or Congress has delegated to him pursuant to the Constitution.
? The president has powers. We learned that watching Biden, who delegated the powers to his unknowns in the administration, who in turn told him what to do. What a dam mess. Anyway, pres has powers. Don't get your point. Oh, is it that you want The PEOPLE to have powers?
Trump's Big Government administration has attempted to do things clearly unauthorized by either. It is the job of the Courts to say what the Law is and where the government is violating it to order it to stop. Your idea that there is something wrong when the Courts "dictate" to this law breaker what the law is flies in the face of the Constitutional order created in 1787.
@AverageJoe1 saidVan Hollen, a Senator from Maryland (not Maine), went to El Salvador at the behest of Garcia's wife, who is a resident of Maryland and her and her kids (one fathered by Garcia) are US citizens.
Try to view it from our perspective. You are the ones who are the brown coats. AOC and Bernie. Do they exhibit strength? All AOC wants is popularity. You have no leader with policies. Newsome thinks he is Tom Cruise.
Trump is very serious, and I do not see why his policies are upsetting. He wants self reliance, and he abhors waste. Reduced government is less wa ...[text shortened]... nie and AOC...busy? Yeah real busy. Kamala was really on it, too. Whew. What a bunch of faeries.
Kristi Noem and at least 7 Republican House members have recently made trips to El Salvador with Noem getting photos taken of her in the prison the US is partially paying for. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/these-are-the-lawmakers-who-have-visited-cecot-el-salvador-s-mega-prison/ar-AA1D8e8b?ocid=BingNewsSerp
I'll bet you didn't hear any complaints about that on right wing media.
@AverageJoe1 saidBernie doesn't charge taxpayers for his flights, he uses his own campaign funds.
Try to view it from our perspective. You are the ones who are the brown coats. AOC and Bernie. Do they exhibit strength? All AOC wants is popularity. You have no leader with policies. Newsome thinks he is Tom Cruise.
Trump is very serious, and I do not see why his policies are upsetting. He wants self reliance, and he abhors waste. Reduced government is less wa ...[text shortened]... nie and AOC...busy? Yeah real busy. Kamala was really on it, too. Whew. What a bunch of faeries.
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@AverageJoe1 saidWe do want the criminals gone, but maybe you haven't noticed that the real criminals wear suits and have an entourage of lawyers that surround them and some can even weaponize the doj to do their criminal work for them.
Why all the legal fights? So in the end, the courts hear his case, and say, whatever, but you are not a citizen, so we have to send you back. You Are Illegally Here. Why do you fake bleeding hearts not want them gone? We can find strawberry pickers without any help from invaders. Being dependents, and brothers of these people, you naturally glom onto them. Maybe you need them??