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  1. Behind the scenes
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    16 Jul '18 23:281 edit
    Now that our beloved President Donald J Trump has stood on the world stage in Helsinki and flipped the middle finger to America's law enforcement and intelligence communities by taking the word of a murdering dictator and former KGB operative over his own intel. people with a mountain of evidence to backup their claims of Russian interference in the 2016 election. Will this finally be what it takes for his followers to begin to lose faith in "The Donald?" Will this finally move the needle? I'd put the odds at 1 chance in 3. Any other guess's?
  2. Standard memberlemon lime
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    17 Jul '18 01:202 edits
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Now that our beloved President Donald J Trump has stood on the world stage in Helsinki and flipped the middle finger to America's law enforcement and intelligence communities by taking the word of a murdering dictator and former KGB operative over his own intel. people with a mountain of evidence to backup their claims of Russian interference in the 2016 ele ...[text shortened]... onald?" Will this finally move the needle? I'd put the odds at 1 chance in 3. Any other guess's?
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    17 Jul '18 01:21
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Now that our beloved President Donald J Trump has stood on the world stage in Helsinki and flipped the middle finger to America's law enforcement and intelligence communities by taking the word of a murdering dictator and former KGB operative over his own intel. people with a mountain of evidence to backup their claims of Russian interference in the 2016 ele ...[text shortened]... onald?" Will this finally move the needle? I'd put the odds at 1 chance in 3. Any other guess's?
    wanna go fishing?
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    17 Jul '18 01:49
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Now that our beloved President Donald J Trump has stood on the world stage in Helsinki and flipped the middle finger to America's law enforcement and intelligence communities by taking the word of a murdering dictator and former KGB operative over his own intel. people with a mountain of evidence to backup their claims of Russian interference in the 2016 ele ...[text shortened]... onald?" Will this finally move the needle? I'd put the odds at 1 chance in 3. Any other guess's?
    The conspiracy theory of Russian collusion will be met with a conspiracy theory that US intelligence is conspiring against Trump. What are they gonna do then, make fun of conspiracy theories?

    That combined with the reality that the FBI has not really shown evidence of Russian hacking and is merely saying they have it will create enough doubt for the partisan defending of Trump to continue.
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    17 Jul '18 02:131 edit
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    The conspiracy theory of Russian collusion will be met with a conspiracy theory that US intelligence is conspiring against Trump. What are they gonna do then, make fun of conspiracy theories?

    That combined with the reality that the FBI has not really shown evidence of Russian hacking and is merely saying they have it will create enough doubt for the partisan defending of Trump to continue.
    While everyone is obsessed with who can muddy the waters better, the probe continues.

    The new twist to the equation is exactly what today's events will do to the Trump base.

    Given that the Trump base is about 25%, the better question is what will happen with the "not fully committed" vote.

    Getting into wishful thinking about throwing more mud at the opposition won't get to the bottom of the problems in your great country.

    Of course, maybe that's what you want
    After all, you are locked in a life and death civil war with the liberals, aren't ya ? 😀
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    17 Jul '18 02:26
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    While everyone is obsessed with who can muddy the waters better, the probe continues.

    The new twist to the equation is exactly what today's events will do to the Trump base.

    Given that the Trump base is about 25%, the better question is what will happen with the "not fully committed" vote.

    Getting into wishful thinking about throwing more mud at th ...[text shortened]... want
    After all, you are locked in a life and death civil war with the liberals, aren't ya ? 😀
    Last I heard Trump's base was close to 40%. I doubt that has changed much in 2 weeks.

    There is no proof of Russian government hacking we have seen. The FBI reports they have proof that they never offer the public. It is completely dependent on faith in the FBI. That fact will not elude the common people forever.
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    17 Jul '18 04:22
    On the plus side the USA can save a fortune on its intelligence services.
    Donald just has to pick up the phone and ask his mate Putin.
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    17 Jul '18 04:361 edit
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Now that our beloved President Donald J Trump has stood on the world stage in Helsinki and flipped the middle finger to America's law enforcement and intelligence communities by taking the word of a murdering dictator and former KGB operative over his own intel. people with a mountain of evidence to backup their claims of Russian interference in the 2016 ele ...[text shortened]... onald?" Will this finally move the needle? I'd put the odds at 1 chance in 3. Any other guess's?
    This will motivate the Deep State to work even harder to undermine and
    eventually overthrow President Trump, the duly elected leader of all Americans.
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    17 Jul '18 06:12
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Now that our beloved President Donald J Trump has stood on the world stage in Helsinki and flipped the middle finger to America's law enforcement and intelligence communities by taking the word of a murdering dictator and former KGB operative over his own intel. people with a mountain of evidence to backup their claims of Russian interference in the 2016 ele ...[text shortened]... onald?" Will this finally move the needle? I'd put the odds at 1 chance in 3. Any other guess's?
    Trump still scores reasonably high on the quality of being a "strong leader". I suspect his acting like Putin's poodle plus the bashing he got even from usually friendly sources like Fox News and Tea Partiers like Amash might cause his approval ratings to dip a bit.

    5% by the end of next week is my guess.
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    17 Jul '18 06:51
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    This will motivate the Deep State to work even harder to undermine and
    eventually overthrow President Trump, the duly elected leader of all Americans.
    sometimes is is necessary to wave the sarcasm flag...
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    17 Jul '18 07:13
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Now that our beloved President Donald J Trump has stood on the world stage in Helsinki and flipped the middle finger to America's law enforcement and intelligence communities by taking the word of a murdering dictator and former KGB operative over his own intel. people with a mountain of evidence to backup their claims of Russian interference in the 2016 ele ...[text shortened]... onald?" Will this finally move the needle? I'd put the odds at 1 chance in 3. Any other guess's?
    The odds are much lower. Trump has already polluted the credibility of US Intelligence community in a way that the stormtroopers will regard the word of Putin over their own agencies.

    The saddest thing about is that this is only the latest in a long string of attacks. One of the biggest benefits from the long alliance between the US and Europe is the common threat assessment and cooperation between international agencies. Putin wants this gone, of course, and Trump will continue to try to make it happen.

    As an indicator you can use the Trumpians from this forum. They will keep doing their victim mentality and whataboutarim ad nauseam and otherwise disregard what is happening around them.
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    17 Jul '18 07:27
    Originally posted by @ponderable
    sometimes is is necessary to wave the sarcasm flag...
    ....or tow the Party line?
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    17 Jul '18 08:02
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Trump still scores reasonably high on the quality of being a "strong leader". I suspect his acting like Putin's poodle plus the bashing he got even from usually friendly sources like Fox News and Tea Partiers like Amash might cause his approval ratings to dip a bit.

    5% by the end of next week is my guess.
    My bet is on a dip from 42% to 41%.

    Trump's cultists are too invested for this incident to trigger introspection. It will make it all the more amusing when they finally have to, though - at least, the not completely batdroppings insane part of the not-Clinton voters. Speaking of not-Clinton voters, are you regretting casting the wrong vote yet?
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    17 Jul '18 11:30
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Now that our beloved President Donald J Trump has stood on the world stage in Helsinki and flipped the middle finger to America's law enforcement and intelligence communities by taking the word of a murdering dictator and former KGB operative over his own intel. people with a mountain of evidence to backup their claims of Russian interference in the 2016 ele ...[text shortened]... onald?" Will this finally move the needle? I'd put the odds at 1 chance in 3. Any other guess's?
    Yeah, not holding my breath.
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