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  1. Subscriberno1marauder
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    18 Jul '18 09:351 edit
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    How would that be relevant? It would only serve to theoretically establish that the Russians had the stolen emails before Pres. Trump even knew of their existence.
    It also shows that people in Trump's campaign knew of the theft months before the e-mails were published. And knew the Russians were involved.
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    18 Jul '18 15:09
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    It also shows that people in Trump's campaign knew of the theft months before the e-mails were published. And knew the Russians were involved.
    It's crap like this that caused the downfall of the Roman empire. We are going down the tubes and Republicans can't even see it coming.
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    19 Jul '18 03:301 edit
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    It also shows that people in Trump's campaign knew of the theft months before the e-mails were published. And knew the Russians were involved.
    ... They heard rumors that Hillary Clinton's unsecure emails were in the possession of Russia.

    How would they have known that this was true?

    Should they have completely trusted these random sources talking to people in their campaign?

    LOL, what's funny about this is if they had actually said right off "We think the Russians ahve Hillary's emails," you would not now be talking about how honest & upright they were, but you would be merely adjusting your conspiracy theory to fit the new set of circumstnaces.
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    19 Jul '18 03:44
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    ... They heard rumors that Hillary Clinton's unsecure emails were in the possession of Russia.

    How would they have known that this was true?

    Should they have completely trusted these random sources talking to people in their campaign?

    LOL, what's funny about this is if they had actually said right off "We think the Russians ahve Hi ...[text shortened]... e, but you would be merely adjusting your conspiracy theory to fit the new set of circumstnaces.
    Yeah, they heard "rumors" from people directly linked to the Russian government.

    If they had turned over such information to the appropriate law enforcement agencies rather than trying to use such info to help Trump get elected, this story would have been over a long time ago.
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    19 Jul '18 05:12
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    There hasn't been a single person meaningfully close to the Trump campaign that has been indicted for something that resembles collusion...

    To me, the threshold of evidence would be something like actual convictions and undeniable evidence of trusted Trump liasons meeting people who are known as active Russian spies...

    Oh yes, kazet, I do realize t ...[text shortened]... all of this circumstantial "evidence" & treat it as legitimate and make these grand narratives.
    Take a look at my post that Trump knew before being POTUS, It's not theoretical any more, it is out in the open in the newspapers Trump knew 2 full weeks before he was even inaugurated that Putin personally order the election meddling and there is nothing you can slant that one with that will change a thing about this game changing story.

    https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/election-meddling-vladimir-putin-no-collusion-intelligence-officials/2018/07/18/id/872538/
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    19 Jul '18 06:17
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Yeah, they heard "rumors" from people directly linked to the Russian government.

    If they had turned over such information to the appropriate law enforcement agencies rather than trying to use such info to help Trump get elected, this story would have been over a long time ago.
    You've never worked in a large bureaucratic organization before, have you?

    Back in the Army, we'd see Battalion commanders & senior NCOs worried about rumors that 2 ID would be deployed to Iraq and the likes...

    It's really the nature of how things function.

    I do not imagine that the Russian government would be so different.

    But that's just me. Who knows. Maybe it is. But why would the Trump campaign know? What, you think that Pres. Trump and his campaign would have truly penetrating insights into the inner workings of Russia? I thought he was incompetent and not even Obama or Clinton had anything remotely resembling that. You have very high standards for such a feller.
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    19 Jul '18 20:561 edit
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Stuff like this:

    Defendant PAPADOPOULOS claimed that his interactions with an
    overseas professor, who defendant PAPADOPOULOS understood to have substantial
    connections to Russian government officials, occurred before defendant PAP ADOPOULOS became a foreign policy adviser to the Campaign. [b]Defendant PAPADOPOULOS acknowledged that the professor ha ...[text shortened]... an government officials.

    https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download

    That kind of stuff?
    no1marauder. Heed Yoda's wise counsel:

    Stop this you must

    Too many big words you use

    Confuse them you do

    😲

    Barter words no longer with those who sow fear, greed, and ignorance. For they have begun their path to the dark side!
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    19 Jul '18 21:00
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Now that our beloved President Donald J Trump has stood on the world stage in Helsinki and flipped the middle finger to America's law enforcement and intelligence communities by taking the word of a murdering dictator and former KGB operative over his own intel. people with a mountain of evidence to backup their claims of Russian interference in the 2016 ele ...[text shortened]... onald?" Will this finally move the needle? I'd put the odds at 1 chance in 3. Any other guess's?
    No it will not move the needle lol.
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    19 Jul '18 21:02
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    You've never worked in a large bureaucratic organization before, have you?

    Back in the Army, we'd see Battalion commanders & senior NCOs worried about rumors that 2 ID would be deployed to Iraq and the likes...

    It's really the nature of how things function.

    I do not imagine that the Russian government would be so different.

    But that's just ...[text shortened]... r Clinton had anything remotely resembling that. You have very high standards for such a feller.
    Why would the Trump campaign know?

    UMM, because Russian agents told them as Papadopoulos, Trump Jr. And others have admitted?
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    19 Jul '18 21:431 edit
    Originally posted by @eladar
    No it will not move the needle lol.
    Tell us what it would take for you to abandon your love of Trump?
    Ending the age of diplomatic immunity? Sending a former diplomat to Putin would do that. Would that shake your faith? What about his latest statement, Media is the enemy of the people? Ever hear stuff like that before, oh, maybe from Lenin? Or was it Stalin.

    It doesn't bother you that Putin owns Trump? You don't care Trump is doing Putin's work for him, like tearing apart NATO, starting a trade/tariff war with Canada? Our best friends in the America's? That's ok with you? And the retaliation that will hurt American farmers and other sectors?

    No big deal? What the FUK would it take to make you say, ok you were right, he is a traitor?
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    19 Jul '18 21:45
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    Tell us what it would take for you to abandon your love of Trump?
    I don't love Trump.

    There is no good group in Washington. What is the difference who is in charge?
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    19 Jul '18 21:491 edit
    Originally posted by @eladar
    I don't love Trump.

    There is no good group in Washington. What is the difference who is in charge?
    What, are you from Pluto? You don't think Trump is causing more problems than any other president in US history? Why are you being seen here as supporting him then?
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    19 Jul '18 22:12
    Originally posted by @sonhouse to Eladar
    What, are you from Pluto? You don't think Trump is causing more problems than any other president in US history? Why are you being seen here as supporting him then?
    Sonhouse's political partisanship always exceeds his grasp of history.

    "You don't think Trump is causing more problems than ANY (sic) other president in US history?"
    --Sonhouse (to Eladar)

    I believe that Donald Trump has caused more problems than William Henry Harrison,
    who was only US President for one month, not enough time to get into much trouble.

    In my view, Abraham Lincoln *caused*, though not intentionally (not his fault), more problems
    than EVERY other US President in the sense that his election provoked the US Civil War.
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    19 Jul '18 22:52
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Sonhouse's political partisanship always exceeds his grasp of history.

    "You don't think Trump is causing more problems than ANY (sic) other president in US history?"
    --Sonhouse (to Eladar)

    I believe that Donald Trump has caused more problems than William Henry Harrison,
    who was only US President for one month, not enough time to get into much tro ...[text shortened]... roblems
    than EVERY other US President in the sense that his election provoked the US Civil War.
    All you have to do is wait, don't worry, he will disgrace himself again and again.
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    19 Jul '18 23:06
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    All you have to do is wait, don't worry, he will disgrace himself again and again.
    Does Sonhouse believe that President Trump will cause another civil war in the USA?
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