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@teinosuke saidHeart of Darkness is written in the first form.
Achebe's essay condemned Conrad as "a bloody racist". Yet when he was asked later about his perspective, he said that he did not want people to stop reading Heart of Darkness: "It's not in my nature to talk about banning books. I am saying, read it – with the kind of understanding and with the knowledge I talk about. And read it beside African works."
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@shavixmir saidYou mean, "in the first person", I assume.
Heart of Darkness is written in the first form.
Any “being racist” comment can only be levelled at the narrator of the tale, not the writer of the novel.
You can’t say that Leon Uris was a Catholic who died a violent death, because the narrator dies at the end of Trinity either.
@teinosuke saidAnother classic I should have read but I've watched Apocalypse Now a few times and it seemed to be anti war ( western imperialism ) but also racist in its depiction of the Vietnamese.
Achebe's essay condemned Conrad as "a bloody racist". Yet when he was asked later about his perspective, he said that he did not want people to stop reading Heart of Darkness: "It's not in my nature to talk about banning books. I am saying, read it – with the kind of understanding and with the knowledge I talk about. And read it beside African works."
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@teinosuke saidYou assume correctly.
You mean, "in the first person", I assume.
It's quite true that we shouldn't equate the values expressed by a narrator with the values of the work itself. However, that does not mean that the work itself has no values. The question of whether Marlowe (narrator of Heart of Darkness) is a racist is a separate matter from the question of whether the novel itself, or its aut ...[text shortened]... series of incidents are crafted to endorse the Zionist cause and to dismiss or reject the Arab one.
@shavixmir saidJames Joyce, in Ulysses, wittily deals with the error of assuming that the attitudes of a fictional character equate to the attitudes of the author.
You assume correctly.
The reason I picked "the person" is because that makes it easy to comprehend the stance on the matter.
Even if a book is completely racist, as long as it is fiction, it says nothing about the writer or his opinions.
Nobody reads Silence of the Lambs and thinks that Harris eats people.
Edit: obviously autobiographies, etc. are something completely different.
@teinosuke saidIf you call Conrad a racist, who am I to presume you mean sentiments portraid in a work of fiction?
James Joyce, in Ulysses, wittily deals with the error of assuming that the attitudes of a fictional character equate to the attitudes of the author.
"— You don’t know yet what money is, [Mr Deasy said]. Money is power, when you have lived as long as I have. I know, I know. If youth but knew. But what does Shakespeare say? Put but money in thy purse.
— Iago, Stephen mu ...[text shortened]... ently intended to flatter the reigning monarch, himself a Scot who had inherited the English throne.
@shavixmir saidWhile my point is, the actual attitudes of the historic Joseph Conrad are irrelevant! He left us a body of work, and when Chinua Achebe said that Joseph Conrad was racist, he primarily meant "Joseph Conrad" in the sense of the books associated with that name. Achebe made this quite explicit:
And my point is, you or a Nigerian writer, can’t deduce that from a novel.
@teinosuke saidDoes it matter that Heart of Darkness portrays racist attitudes?
While my point is, the actual attitudes of the historic Joseph Conrad are irrelevant! He left us a body of work, and when Chinua Achebe said that Joseph Conrad was racist, he primarily meant "Joseph Conrad" in the sense of the books associated with that name. Achebe made this quite explicit:
"Whatever Conrad's problems were, you might say he is now safely dead. Quite tru ...[text shortened]... ist. And that is something I can deduce from the novel; indeed, I could deduce it from nothing else!