@wildgrass saidWhat a damn fool. There are no 100% systems. In socialist systems there is some private ownership of resources .. 10 to 20% but it is still a socialist state. Capitalist systems have some public ownership of property, 10% to 20% but they are still capitalist and by no stretch of the imagination {except in your empty skull], can be considered socialist or leaning in that direction. There is no lean toward socialism in the US, neither do socialist have a monopoly on public ownership.
Your definition. You posted it. Go back and read what you wrote (or rather, what you copied from AI)
Socialist governments are not defined by the services it provides. Socialist governments are defined by their control over the means of production and distribution of resources. Trump is proposing to have the government buy stakes in AI companies and dole out the profits to citizens. Small percentage, big percentage, meaningless, its the path to socialist governance.
When you desperately need to justify a lame case against Trump you really are a stupid man.
@wildgrass saidThis post, written by a U.S. citizen in a capitalist society, employs the words government control, (brrrrrr), control over production and distribution. Dam, man, you are what we southerners call ‘eat up’
Your definition. You posted it. Go back and read what you wrote (or rather, what you copied from AI)
Socialist governments are not defined by the services it provides. Socialist governments are defined by their control over the means of production and distribution of resources. Trump is proposing to have the government buy stakes in AI companies and dole out the profits to citizens. Small percentage, big percentage, meaningless, its the path to socialist governance.
Sure wish you would give just a smidgen of yourself, what ever you are….we don’t know…and say that socialism is a good “path to socialist governance “ We note how ‘socialist governance’ just rolls off your tongue.
Do you teach dependence to you grandchildren? Save your breath, send them over every month and I will give each of them $2500. Shav says no problem living on $30k a year.
@Rajk999 saidDurrrr. You're saying I'm making an argument I'm not making.
What a damn fool. There are no 100% systems. In socialist systems there is some private ownership of resources .. 10 to 20% but it is still a socialist state. Capitalist systems have some public ownership of property, 10% to 20% but they are still capitalist and by no stretch of the imagination {except in your empty skull], can be considered socialist or leaning in that d ...[text shortened]... ship.
When you desperately need to justify a lame case against Trump you really are a stupid man.
Read Trump's quote. He wants the government to take ownership of private companies and share the profits with taxpayers. It's an issue thing, not a trump thing.
I think that's a very bad idea that puts the US on a path to socialism.
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@AverageJoe1 saidNo I think Trump's idea is a bad idea. His idea is to take government ownership of companies.
This post, written by a U.S. citizen in a capitalist society, employs the words government control, (brrrrrr), control over production and distribution. Dam, man, you are what we southerners call ‘eat up’
Sure wish you would give just a smidgen of yourself, what ever you are….we don’t know…and say that socialism is a good “path to socialist governance “ We note how ...[text shortened]... over every month and I will give each of them $2500. Shav says no problem living on $30k a year.
@wildgrass saidOf course I think it is a bad idea myself, being a 100% capitalist. For a couple hundred years, Seems to have been working fairly fine. But I am torn because I have so much faith in the business acumen of Trump, so we will see how it plays out.
No I think Trump's idea is a bad idea. His idea is to take government ownership of companies.
Specifically, I don’t know how it would be acceptable if any normal corporate profits would be diverted from the investors and shareholders in the business to people that have nothing to do with the business, took no risk, no skin in the game…
I just don’t see it, how it would be structured to be fair, and fair does not include giving something to someone who has not earned it.
@AverageJoe1 saidGovernment take over of massive industries, like what trump is talking about, is a bad idea. I'm glad we came to an understanding.
Of course I think it is a bad idea myself, being a 100% capitalist. For a couple hundred years, Seems to have been working fairly fine. But I am torn because I have so much faith in the business acumen of Trump, so we will see how it plays out.
Specifically, I don’t know how it would be acceptable if any normal corporate profits would be diverted from the investors an ...[text shortened]... structured to be fair, and fair does not include giving something to someone who has not earned it.
@wildgrass saidI can’t believe he means it. I know AI is a big deal thing, but here is where average Joe is always right , it doesn’t make any difference what company it is. This will happen to be AI related. It could be computer related like Apple. So people that own Apple stock , would have money that would normally go to them siphoned off to people who have no right to it. Yes Joe just said they have no right to the money.
Government take over of massive industries, like what trump is talking about, is a bad idea. I'm glad we came to an understanding.
Again, I have not looked into this situation yet, about what Trump said, but if he picked AI corporations to give money to citizens, it is no different than Biden picking loser graduates to receive government money.. Absolutely no difference whatsoever. Trump is Biden..
@AverageJoe1 saidIt's just ridiculous right. Biden hints at regulations for gas stoves, and you scream socialism for weeks.
I can’t believe he means it. I know AI is a big deal thing, but here is where average Joe is always right , it doesn’t make any difference what company it is. This will happen to be AI related. It could be computer related like Apple. So people that own Apple stock , would have money that would normally go to them siphoned off to people who have no right to it. Yes Jo ...[text shortened]... loser graduates to receive government money.. Absolutely no difference whatsoever. Trump is Biden..
But trump meets with AI companies to negotiate a 50% stake for government in their companies operations, and your response is "he must not mean it"?
Really, boss look in a mirror.
@wildgrass saidBut he does not meet with the Justin Cowboy Boot company. Lucky company.
It's just ridiculous right. Biden hints at regulations for gas stoves, and you scream socialism for weeks.
But trump meets with AI companies to negotiate a 50% stake for government in their companies operations, and your response is "he must not mean it"?
Really, boss look in a mirror.
I don’t quite get your post, what you were trying to say, but Biden meant it.. And maybe Trump means it, I don’t know.
You seem to be reaching for something to offset my post, but if you will look at my post, all it says is that Trump has picked a corporation that should share some of his profits with people out in the country. I would find that abhorrent, as would any economist.
No sense speculating on the fallout at the moment, plenty of time for that, let’s see what he is up to.
@AverageJoe1 said
But he does not meet with the Justin Cowboy Boot company. Lucky company.
I don’t quite get your post, what you were trying to say, but Biden meant it.. And maybe Trump means it, I don’t know.
You seem to be reaching for something to offset my post, but if you will look at my post, all it says is that Trump has picked a corporation that should share some of his pro ...[text shortened]... sense speculating on the fallout at the moment, plenty of time for that, let’s see what he is up to.
all it says is that Trump has picked a corporation that should share some of his profits with people out in the country
Trump? You mean Karl Marx?
@wildgrass saidAnything is possible. Sonhouse says Trump will become a dictator. Anything is possible.all it says is that Trump has picked a corporation that should share some of his profits with people out in the country
Trump? You mean Karl Marx?
Carmella could win, that is possible.
Just so you get the picture, if Trump turns everything into socialism or even dictatorship,, there will be people that will not be living under socialism, who will actually be the socialists, you see. I assure you that will be me..
@AverageJoe1 saidWho is Carmella?
Anything is possible. Sonhouse says Trump will become a dictator. Anything is possible.
Carmella could win, that is possible.
Just so you get the picture, if Trump turns everything into socialism or even dictatorship,, there will be people that will not be living under socialism, who will actually be the socialists, you see. I assure you that will be me..
@Suzianne saidWho indeed.
Who is Carmella?
Did you see in the Republican fraud thread, where all of your friends are talking about religion. Some of them mentioned Donald Trump as fraudulent, but I have seen no charges on that.
But the funny thing is, to spend even one minute of your life, talking about religion. One of them uses some analogy that starts with “look at it this way ….”take a rubber band. And stretch it……”
Godawlmighty
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@AverageJoe1 saidHe's already done it to multiple other companies, so it's hardly a "wait and see" kind of thing. Trump has brokered ownership stakes of multiple previously-autonomous companies with the intention of directing their activities at the level of government.
Anything is possible. Sonhouse says Trump will become a dictator. Anything is possible.
Carmella could win, that is possible.
Just so you get the picture, if Trump turns everything into socialism or even dictatorship,, there will be people that will not be living under socialism, who will actually be the socialists, you see. I assure you that will be me..
Nippon Steel, Nvidia, AMD, Intel etc. Trump's government has bought into these companies using taxpayer funds and now has decision-making powers that supersede the leaders of these companies.
Next is AI, obviously. But tomorrow it could be anything. At any rate, if Obama did this y'all would riot.
@AverageJoe1 saidHere is the conservative think tank American Enterprise Institute. They are calling Trump a socialist.
Who indeed.
Did you see in the Republican fraud thread, where all of your friends are talking about religion. Some of them mentioned Donald Trump as fraudulent, but I have seen no charges on that.
But the funny thing is, to spend even one minute of your life, talking about religion. One of them uses some analogy that starts with “look at it this way ….”take a rubber band. And stretch it……”
Godawlmighty
https://www.aei.org/op-eds/the-dangers-of-trumps-venture-socialism/