@Rajk999 saidHere is another prominent conservative magazine - The Dispatch - also calling Trump a socialist.
What a damn fool. There are no 100% systems. In socialist systems there is some private ownership of resources .. 10 to 20% but it is still a socialist state. Capitalist systems have some public ownership of property, 10% to 20% but they are still capitalist and by no stretch of the imagination {except in your empty skull], can be considered socialist or leaning in that d ...[text shortened]... ship.
When you desperately need to justify a lame case against Trump you really are a stupid man.
https://thedispatch.com/article/trump-administration-equity-stakes-corporation-downsides/
@wildgrass saidWe would string him up, for sure.
He's already done it to multiple other companies, so it's hardly a "wait and see" kind of thing. Trump has brokered ownership stakes of multiple previously-autonomous companies with the intention of directing their activities at the level of government.
Nippon Steel, Nvidia, AMD, Intel etc. Trump's government has bought into these companies using taxpayer funds and now h ...[text shortened]... s AI, obviously. But tomorrow it could be anything. At any rate, if Obama did this y'all would riot.
That assumes breaking of any laws by a president, as you suggest of Obama orTrump. I would not like any such president in the WhiteHouse.
@wildgrass saidI call Mamdani the Commie a Communist,
Here is the conservative think tank American Enterprise Institute. They are calling Trump a socialist.
https://www.aei.org/op-eds/the-dangers-of-trumps-venture-socialism/
Both are elected leaders.
You leave yourself open to having to acknowledge that your party has more communists sprinkled throughout, than does our party. Don’t call this a whataboutism, because such observations naturally have to have comparative value .
But you know that.
@AverageJoe1 saidTrump's socialist policy does not break any laws?
We would string him up, for sure.
That assumes breaking of any laws by a president, as you suggest of Obama orTrump. I would not like any such president in the WhiteHouse.
That's news to me. You broke a story.
Still socialism though.
@AverageJoe1 said
I call Mamdani the Commie a Communist,
Both are elected leaders.
You leave yourself open to having to acknowledge that your party has more communists sprinkled throughout, than does our party. Don’t call this a whataboutism, because such observations naturally have to have comparative value .
But you know that.
You leave yourself open to having to acknowledge that your party has more communists sprinkled throughout
I don't have a party other than good governance and responsible leadership.
Which party does it should be irrelevant. Trump's using public funds to buy companies and influence their business decisions. The MAGA crowd is calling it "state capitalism" LOL but the definition of that is basically socialism.
@wildgrass saidDon’t know. Ask Marsuder, I quit ‘digging in the books’ long ago.
Trump's socialist policy does not break any laws?
That's news to me. You broke a story.
Still socialism though.
Shifted my thought processes over to common sense and logic. Don’t really need law for that. You don’t need law to find the difference between a privilege and a right. It is common sense.
@AverageJoe1 saidChange your tagline to:
Don’t know. Ask Marsuder, I quit ‘digging in the books’ long ago.
Shifted my thought processes over to common sense and logic. Don’t really need law for that. You don’t need law to find the difference between a privilege and a right. It is common sense.
If it's socialism but not technically not illegal, Trump should do it.
@wildgrass saidTo speak of any entity or group in these discussions, for me, are narrowed down to 2 parties, dem and repub.You leave yourself open to having to acknowledge that your party has more communists sprinkled throughout
I don't have a party other than good governance and responsible leadership.
Which party does it should be irrelevant. Trump's using public funds to buy companies and influence their business decisions. The MAGA crowd is calling it "state capitalism" LOL but the definition of that is basically socialism.
Thus, for purposes of discussions, you are a Democrat. I will continue always to refer to all of you liberals as Democrats, and beyond that y’all can get into the weeds and I will simply pass. Imagine you’re having to discuss natural law with marauder. What a laugh I ain’t thinking about it.
You, are a Democrat. Bernie and Bernie are. Sure you can tell us all that you’re one of those ….what is that other one ……an independent or maybe a green party? You can tell us all that and no one will give a damn. We know that you will vote for either a democrat or a republican when you go to the polls, and that is where the meat is.
Yes, it is troubling, his process of sharing some of the company profits, I have not read a word about it, and probably will not for a while until it is an interesting story ….right now it is just written by a bunch of socialists on the forum.
The same people that want illegals to live here and be paid for, So no, I would not take any such information from you or from other socialist. I will find out about it in do course and give you my thinking. That’s not so hard is it??
@AverageJoe1 saidRepublicans are in favor of policies that use tax dollars to purchase companies and provide oversight to those companies and are going to distribute profits from those companies to the people according to whatever values the government deems important. Whatever stupid definitions and labels you want to use these are the facts of what's happening now. Maybe you (Republicans) think government can run things better than corporations. Vote accordingly.
To speak of any entity or group in these discussions, for me, are narrowed down to 2 parties, dem and repub.
Thus, for purposes of discussions, you are a Democrat. I will continue always to refer to all of you liberals as Democrats, and beyond that y’all can get into the weeds and I will simply pass. Imagine you’re having to discuss natural law with marauder. Wha ...[text shortened]... vote for either a democrat or a republican when you go to the polls, and that is where the meat is.
@AverageJoe1 saidYour 'common sense' also tells you that blacks are only a fraction of a person.
Don’t know. Ask Marsuder, I quit ‘digging in the books’ long ago.
Shifted my thought processes over to common sense and logic. Don’t really need law for that. You don’t need law to find the difference between a privilege and a right. It is common sense.
Pardon me if I spit on your 'common sense'.
@wildgrass saidI think government can run things better than corporations (read: more fairly). Corporations are inherently 'for profit'. Government is inherently 'non-profit'.
Republicans are in favor of policies that use tax dollars to purchase companies and provide oversight to those companies and are going to distribute profits from those companies to the people according to whatever values the government deems important. Whatever stupid definitions and labels you want to use these are the facts of what's happening now. Maybe you (Republicans) think government can run things better than corporations. Vote accordingly.
Just not this administration.
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@wildgrass saidThat is not what I said at all.
Change your tagline to:
If it's socialism but not technically not illegal, Trump should do it.
You are the forum champ of conflation.
I’ve become bored over the years with word games and catchy phrases and gotcha. I’d rather talk like we were sitting at Starbucks having a cup of coffee, but I have already said that about 50 times. You glib people just don’t get it.
Don’t be a product of Susan’s camp. I wrote an analogy the other day that I would give $40,000 to a government man that comes to the door for Money to feed the illegals. Her response. She said you don’t have $40,000. So you can sign up to be in that debate society I ain’t thinking about it.
Of course, since the analogy was spot-on, she having no comeback, that is all she had .. such a statement is that
@wildgrass saidI am 100% capitalist. I am 100% common sense. I would hate for what you just wrote to happen. As an aside of that, I will always wonder why liberals think something should be changed all the time , like the Supreme Court everything , should be changed.
Republicans are in favor of policies that use tax dollars to purchase companies and provide oversight to those companies and are going to distribute profits from those companies to the people according to whatever values the government deems important. Whatever stupid definitions and labels you want to use these are the facts of what's happening now. Maybe you (Republicans) think government can run things better than corporations. Vote accordingly.
I do not want capitalism to be touched in any
way so I would be against this foolishness. Everyone needs to be self-reliance like it has been going on for 250 years. What is wrong with you people and what is wrong with Trump? I can just picture people turning into beggars at the trough. It is so damn creepy. I cannot explain.
Well, no worries, I will be living in the house on the hill. Remember, socialism is for the people , not for the socialists.
@Suzianne saidSometimes you can really be entertaining. It is a pity I’m about to write you some sense, a pity that you will not respond to it in kind …..that is the real pity on the forum.
I think government can run things better than corporations (read: more fairly). Corporations are inherently 'for profit'. Government is inherently 'non-profit'.
Just not this administration.
Sue, society with no profit is like a farm where nobody gets to keep any of the harvest. Sooner or later, people stop planting. Profit is one of the reasons prosperity exists. Tell me, so I be sure you be grown up before I explain the real clincher, do you promote prosperity?