@no1marauder saidStill Got to go but i know adam S i will read it. When you and Adam throw out this stuf, about the big behomith corps etc, please have a starting point. Setting asude the lucky few born rich, Dexter and Chris go to same high school, mid uncome families. In short, Dex works harder than chris, builds 2 factories. It is dine all the time. Chris finds comfy job selling insurance. Chris is not good at it, gets job in factory.
Tell you what, skip everything in it but the paragraph by Adam Smith, the so-called "Father of Capitalism".
Now somewhere along here you and the horrible anarchist see something you dont like. Should this go on where Chris is subject to the rules of Dex, who plays golf, has a pool, the works???? Where do you Marxists draw the line, as you cannot STAND this! What would you do? You. And no quotes please.
@earl-of-trumps said"The Walmarts of the world make an offerance to labor, to which they can choose to accept it or NOT."
The Walmarts of the world make an offerance to labor, to which they can choose to accept it or NOT.
But when these poor workers do work, the government attacks their paycheck in various ways.
Let me guess... the government is their friend, your friend. you phony, hypocrite.
same tired argument that I am getting bored with. Someone smart would realize that Walmart (and corporations like them in general) are driving competition out of business and then they are hiring desperate workers for a small wage while asking americans to pay taxes to provide those workers they aren't paying enough with food stamps and other social programs.
All while lobbying for even lower corporate taxes and deregulations so they can treat workers as badly as they can.
"But when these poor workers do work, the government attacks their paycheck in various ways."
Like what. Give an example. Like how the Canadian government takes a chunk out of canadian citizens' paychecks to provide them with better healthcare than americans have? A practice so heinous and predatory yet still no Canadian politician dares to run against? Why do you think nobody talked of getting rid of socialized healthcare in Canada?
"Let me guess... the government is their friend, your friend. you phony, hypocrite."
Obviously much more than a corporation ever could or would.
@zahlanzi saidThere are better paying jobs than those at Walmart. You work hard, get ahead, maybe become a Walmart manager, and then sneak out at lunch to interview for that higher paying job, now that you have experience and want to Get Ahead of the next guy, make more money than he does, such as that. That is how you set goals for yourself. I have never heard a lib use the word 'goal'. Complacency abounds in the liberal world. " I don't care about getting ahead, or making more money, as long as I can play with my dog and frisbee,,,,,but by God, I dont want anyone else to!!!" Pitiful.
"The Walmarts of the world make an offerance to labor, to which they can choose to accept it or NOT."
same tired argument that I am getting bored with. Someone smart would realize that Walmart (and corporations like them in general) are driving competition out of business and then they are hiring desperate workers for a small wage while asking americans to pay taxes to prov ...[text shortened]... nd, your friend. you phony, hypocrite."
Obviously much more than a corporation ever could or would.
@averagejoe1 said"There are better paying jobs than those at Walmart."
There are better paying jobs than those at Walmart. You work hard, get ahead, maybe become a Walmart manager, and then sneak out at lunch to interview for that higher paying job, now that you have experience and want to Get Ahead of the next guy, make more money than he does, such as that. That is how you set goals for yourself. I have never heard a lib use the word 'g ...[text shortened]... long as I can play with my dog and frisbee,,,,,but by God, I dont want anyone else to!!!" Pitiful.
There are. Though they might be in another town.
"You work hard, get ahead, maybe become a Walmart manager"
Yes, because everyone who works hard gets promoted. It's not like managerial positions are limited.
"and then sneak out at lunch to interview for that higher paying job"
So you need to become a manager in the so easily to find managerial jobs and get free time to get some new skills (that ofc, you people refuse to offer funding for). Because if you're living paycheck to paycheck and having to go on food stamps because walmart doesn't want to pay you enough it's damn easy to find a new job.
"That is how you set goals for yourself"
Some people's goals are "I hope I or my kids don't get sick because my paycheck is barely covering groceries"
"I have never heard a lib use the word 'goal'."
You refuse to hear what anyone that isn't you is going through so i am not surprised. You can't empathize with someone else and you lack self awareness to realize just how much you owe your success to circumstances outside your control. For you, everyone who fails must have because they are weak/lazy/stupid. Whereas what success you manage to have is definitely because you're so damn intelligent/hard working/ manly man.
How much did it cost to go to college in your youth, 100 years ago? How much did a house cost? How easy it was to get a credit to buy a house? Where did you live and how were the schools funded?
A million reasons coalesce for each success story and there are a lot more people who just don't have that kind of luck but they might also be successful for as little as not having to worry about healthcare being tied to his employer, or his kid getting a good lunch at school.
"Complacency abounds in the liberal world."
liberals, not conservatives, are trying to change the world in any number of ways. Liberals worry about climate change and try to fix it, conservatives just go "meh, let it burn, i won't be alive when it gets bad". Liberals are trying to get bills to improve people's lives, conservatives are striking them down.
Conservatives are the ones complacent.
" I don't care about getting ahead, or making more money, as long as I can play with my dog and frisbee,,,,,but by God, I dont want anyone else to!!!"
Yeah, liberals just hate money. Damn you're a dumbass.
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@zahlanzi saidIs that you, the angry Zahlanzi? You don't even live in the USA. All of the things you mention have been hashed out, but it all boils down to, yes, hard work, perseverance, independent thinking ....uhoh, getting a bit out of your thought process,...being smarter and better than the other guy, getting 2.5% mtg which you say above is not possible to buy a house. Why not buy a duplex and rent out one of them. It is fun to make money, and then you can afford children. Your stuff above only points out that everyone is in different circumstances. I borrowed all of my law school tuition, another was of wealthy family. He is today a loser, and well, I'm not. I won.. Libs don't like winners, you dont like me. But don't pigeon-hole everyone in the USA as being entitled to any dam thing. Some people are comfortable being poor as we pay for their stuff. I think that that is quite enough. But it is NEVER enough for libs, cause you want us to cover the middle class too. What? The people or person you write about above needs to get their act together. We are still the land of opportunity , and there are 8M jobs available. Here is an idea for you to ponder.
"There are better paying jobs than those at Walmart."
There are. Though they might be in another town.
"You work hard, get ahead, maybe become a Walmart manager"
Yes, because everyone who works hard gets promoted. It's not like managerial positions are limited.
"and then sneak out at lunch to interview for that higher paying job"
So you need to become a manager in ...[text shortened]... ,but by God, I dont want anyone else to!!!"
Yeah, liberals just hate money. Damn you're a dumbass.
A person needs to take care of themselves in this country. It is not that way in the countries like Norway, but we are not Norway. Why dont you libs get that?
@AverageJoe1
Let me ask you, and the libs, why do y'all beat around the bush about what you REALLY want. In the case above, do you want the successful people to equalize their net worth, their salaries, their income, with that of the less successful?? Do you want the less successful to be on an equal level in the way of wealth and salary? I dont know a simpler way to put this question. What would you, if you were King, donto make it the way you want it?
@averagejoe1 saidThat question has been answered here many times but because the answer isn't in line with the propaganda you've been spoon fed you refuse to accept it.
@AverageJoe1
Let me ask you, and the libs, why do y'all beat around the bush about what you REALLY want. In the case above, do you want the successful people to equalize their net worth, their salaries, their income, with that of the less successful?? Do you want the less successful to be on an equal level in the way of wealth and salary? I dont know a simpler way to put this question. What would you, if you were King, donto make it the way you want it?
Progressives are not insisting on total equality of outcome and would be satisfied with workers getting better wages and benefits and the wealthy paying a bit more in taxes to fund necessary societal investments.
That's it; a nice "simple" answer.
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@AverageJoe1
Let me ask you, and the libs, why do y'all beat around the bush about what you REALLY want. In the case above, do you want the successful people to equalize their net worth, their salaries, their income, with that of the less successful?? Do you want the less successful to be on an equal level in the way of wealth and salary? I dont know a simpler way to put this question. What would you, if you were King, donto make it the way you want it?
Joe, you and I both know what lazy libs want... they want big gov to take all wealth and businesses away from
business owners and give lazy libs "free stuff", make the RICH suffer. that is what they have wanted since the USSR
found great success with their goody goody grab oh so long ago.
Sine then we have watched the two biggest exponents of goo-goo communism - USSR and China,
switch to free market and outright capitalism, respectively. Ya think there was a reason for that?
It's like telling a young teen not to do drugs and show them why. You show them street people,
addicted to killer drugs and dropping like flies. yet the streets capture new victims every day.
people are funny, eh?
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@earl-of-trumps saidRight wingers are "funny in the head" as my Grandmother used to say if they really believe such nonsense.
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Joe, you and I both know what lazy libs want... they want big gov to take all wealth and businesses away from
business owners and give lazy libs "free stuff", make the RICH suffer. that is what they have wanted since the USSR
found great success with their good grab oh so long ago.
Sine then we have watched the two biggest exponents of goo-goo communi ...[text shortened]... ugs and dropping like flies. yet the streets capture new victims every day.
people are funny, eh?
Then again people like you were screeching that Social Security would inevitably lead to a Communist dictatorship as Reagan also claimed regarding the enactment of Medicare.
Maybe you just never learn.
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@AverageJoe1
Hating the GOVERNMENT? No we HATE the way the republican party has been taken over by Trump and the way Moscow Mitch behaves is SHAMEFUL. HE is the one who hates government.
He is too lazy to actually want to govern.
And you could care less about what companies do like dumping toxic waste into our rivers and streams with ZERO consequences, at least for the time of the Trump years.
It is ABROGATION OF RESPONSIBILITY that is the key to the republican party right now, ZERO thought of actual governing and 100 % of republican action revolves around maintaining power at ALL COST, including keeping the US as a viable democracy.
And of COURSE you could care less about that as long as your pathetic 401 is growing.
And don't EVEN go there with, those SO CALLED voter repression laws, what is wrong with voter ID?
That is not the problem with those sick voter repression laws pushed by state repubs in ALL 50 STATES now, approaching FOUR HUNDRED anti voting laws designed to stop democrats from voting.
So ASSSHOLE, prove me wrong. Go on, give it a try, and don't start with what is wrong with voter ID instead try arguing why it should be illegal to even give someone in a vote line a bottle of water after they have removed all but one voting place in a city of a million.
So ARGUE THOSE FACTS. Go on, I FUKKING DARE YOU.
@averagejoe1 said"Why not buy a duplex and rent out one of them."
Is that you, the angry Zahlanzi? You don't even live in the USA. All of the things you mention have been hashed out, but it all boils down to, yes, hard work, perseverance, independent thinking ....uhoh, getting a bit out of your thought process,...being smarter and better than the other guy, getting 2.5% mtg which you say above is not possible to buy a house. Why not ...[text shortened]... It is not that way in the countries like Norway, but we are not Norway. Why dont you libs get that?
your response to people not being able to afford a house is... buy a bigger house and rent out half?
I keep asking you but are you actually dumb? Like i keep thinking you can't be this dumb and you're just lying to us. You can't possibly think that was a good argument.
Right?
"The people or person you write about above needs to get their act together."
Yeah, the person working 2 jobs to barely afford food just needs to get their act together. Have they tried getting a job that pays more?
"But it is NEVER enough for libs, cause you want us to cover the middle class too."
What middle class. You don't have middle class in the US
"A person needs to take care of themselves in this country. It is not that way in the countries like Norway, but we are not Norway. "
I know you aren't Norway. Norway is better.
@no1marauder saidBut How much more taxes.? Please see the stats of what is already being paid, you know......the top 1% pay 40.1% of income tax received. The other 90% pay 28.6% The top 1% pay more than SEVEN times higher than taxpayers in the bottom 50%.
That question has been answered here many times but because the answer isn't in line with the propaganda you've been spoon fed you refuse to accept it.
Progressives are not insisting on total equality of outcome and would be satisfied with workers getting better wages and benefits and the wealthy paying a bit more in taxes to fund necessary societal investments.
That's it; a nice "simple" answer.
So tell us, tell us all, how much more should the 1% pay? How bout the middle class? How do you decide who that is?
As to better wages, I am sure you are aware of the studies concluding that raising the min wage would have bad consequences, look it up. And it is laughable that you want workers at McDonalds to have 'living wages' (never been defined by Bernie or anyone), when those are starter jobs. No one is expected to Live On McDonalds wages. Did you hear the there are 8M unfilled jobs? FedEx pays $40K to drivers.
I hate your posts that throw such a dark light on America, gloom and doom of salaries, etc, making false statements about no opportuintiyt when it is all around you. Sad. I hope the young people who are starting out, and planning their lives (do libs plan?) are not reading your stuff. If it makes me sad, imagine how They feel.
And you seem to be writing about people like 50 years old and are having problems. Me, I am writing about young people, PLANNING to be successful.
If the 50-types did not plan, are we all supposed to stop in our tracks, stop our growth, to help them correct their mistakes? Their nonfeasance, whatever? Can't. We are too busy working hard. Building a country. Strong words for a liberal, I know.
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@zahlanzi saidJoin an investment club, learn, and then get a person in similar circumstance to join in as partner, maybe buy more than one duplex. VA loans, FHA, all types of financing. Don't forget the learn part. Or say to hell with it, and do frisbee thing.
"Why not buy a duplex and rent out one of them."
your response to people not being able to afford a house is... buy a bigger house and rent out half?
I keep asking you but are you actually dumb? Like i keep thinking you can't be this dumb and you're just lying to us. You can't possibly think that was a good argument.
Right?
"The people or person you write about abo ...[text shortened]... in the countries like Norway, but we are not Norway. "
I know you aren't Norway. Norway is better.
Help me here. How can a person who has two jobs barely afford food? I think you misrepresent the facts. If I had two jobs, I could afford food, and maybe a car, and rent. Lost me on that one.
Zahlanzi says US does not have a middle class.
Norway...better 'what?