@AverageJoe1
Did Washington and Jefferson pay 40% of all taxes collected? And y’all want even more than that?!?!?
@averagejoe1 saidAnd I conclude, as I have already, that you are a stunningly ignorant person who hasn't the slightest idea what "Marxism" is.
You have missed the issue by a country mile.
You say “so you’d rather...”. What AvJoe would do is not on the table. This is not about me. The issue is that you said above. ‘Which should Society choose?” You imply society or govt should have the power to seize the money of the guy to feed starving children. . I say they have no right to do that. You obviously thin ...[text shortened]... Marxism.
Of course, if it were me , I would dump the yacht idea and construct a children’s home.
Sure, society has a legitimate power (not a right; only individuals have rights), to allocate its resources so that children don't starve. If that means Dexter has to pay a bit more tax, so be it.
@averagejoe1 saidAs already pointed out, the wealthy don't pay anything near 40% of "all taxes collected".
@AverageJoe1
Did Washington and Jefferson pay 40% of all taxes collected? And y’all want even more than that?!?!?
@no1marauder saidOut nose forever grows. Google rich 40% taxes.
As already pointed out, the wealthy don't pay anything near 40% of "all taxes collected".
As reams are written about Marxism, it prob could not be ‘defined ‘ even after a seminar on it, full of bearded men.
But I’ll tell you this.....your posts all reek with ‘the common good’. Brrrrrr
@averagejoe1 saidExcept that ‘the common good’ is the exact purpose of government.
Out nose forever grows. Google rich 40% taxes.
As reams are written about Marxism, it prob could not be ‘defined ‘ even after a seminar on it, full of bearded men.
But I’ll tell you this.....your posts all reek with ‘the common good’. Brrrrrr
Not, as you believe, 'the corporate good', or 'the wealthy good'.
@suzianne saidYou make my point about defining such phrases and philosophies. I would question your statement above. So, how do you feel about his other statement,.....'From each according to his ability to each according to his needs".
Except that ‘the common good’ is the exact purpose of government.
Not, as you believe, 'the corporate good', or 'the wealthy good'.
This principle refers to free access to distribution of goods capital and services. Note that Bernie used the word 'free' a lot. Repubs know that nothing can possibly be free. You and Marauder do not know that.
So what is your take on that principle? Sound cool to you? I have some money that I earned, sitting in a savings account earning interest while I am asleep. Should I be worried about Marauder?
@no1marauder saidLet me state it this way....The top TEN percent paid 71% of federal income taxes. If you don't agree with that, then, well, by golly, you need to get your crowd to CANCEL those websites. They should not be a allowed to speak. The Cancel Culture, which you are a part of, could easily do this when they get in hyena mode. You should be proud.
As already pointed out, the wealthy don't pay anything near 40% of "all taxes collected".
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@averagejoe1 saidIncome taxes are about half of Federal taxes collected. And then there are State and local taxes which are regressive in character overall.
Let me state it this way....The top TEN percent paid 71% of federal income taxes. If you don't agree with that, then, well, by golly, you need to get your crowd to CANCEL those websites. They should not be a allowed to speak. The Cancel Culture, which you are a part of, could easily do this when they get in hyena mode. You should be proud.
Those are the facts; the wealthy overall in the US pay approximately the same percentage of their income as tax as does the middle class.
@no1marauder saidNo, wrong again. BTW, you'd have to define 'protection for all'.
So you'd rather have kids starving to death than the rich being "deprived" of extra income enough to buy a yacht and maybe a few buckets of caviar to put on it.
Yes, you answered the question.
But the purpose of human society is protection for all, not having a few own extra toys. It's only his "money" (who actually creates money and says it will be honored? Not him ...[text shortened]... say he doesn't have to pay it in taxes.
To your edit: So did the Framers when they levied taxes.
You say it is only his money if he isn't required to pay it in taxes. No, it is his money when he earns it, takes it home, puts it on the table. Then he has only to get smart and find tax loopholes.......So, in the end, contrary to your suggesting he has to pay His money in taxes, he might not have to, so it remains his money. You make these statements that sort of stop in the middle and do not arrive at concrete conclusions.
@no1marauder saidI think not, I would need one of your famous links from a reliable source.
Income taxes are about half of Federal taxes collected. And then there are State and local taxes which are regressive in character overall.
Those are the facts; the wealthy overall in the US pay approximately the same percentage of their income as tax as does the middle class.
@averagejoe1 saidI already did; first post on p. 4 of this thread.
I think not, I would need one of your famous links from a reliable source.
@no1marauder saidIn 2018, the top 1% of income earners---those who earned over $540K,--paid 40%of all income taxes. The top TEN percent paid 71% of federal income tax. I will look at your link later today. My accountant just told me this. Either you or he are wrong.
I already did; first post on p. 4 of this thread.
@averagejoe1 saidNo, we could both be right.
In 2018, the top 1% of income earners---those who earned over $540K,--paid 40%of all income taxes. The top TEN percent paid 71% of federal income tax. I will look at your link later today. My accountant just told me this. Either you or he are wrong.
If you can't figure out how, you're a lost cause.
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@averagejoe1 saidPerhaps you've never had a job in the US, but if you did and looked at your pay stubs you'd know that taxes are taken out before you receive your pay.
No, wrong again. BTW, you'd have to define 'protection for all'.
You say it is only his money if he isn't required to pay it in taxes. No, it is his money when he earns it, takes it home, puts it on the table. Then he has only to get smart and find tax loopholes.......So, in the end, contrary to your suggesting he has to pay His money in taxes, he might not have to ...[text shortened]... You make these statements that sort of stop in the middle and do not arrive at concrete conclusions.
@no1marauder saidYou actually think that is figured in when govt data is created....that the amount of tax deducted is part of the computation.????? Man, this is the king of all misleading posts. I' will write it in my journal right up next to Sonhouse and Vivify quotes. Lucky for you I dont have an entry for Handy Andy.
Perhaps you've never had a job in the US, but if you did and looked at your pay stubs you'd know that taxes are taken out before you receive your pay.
This is hilarious.
Another subject, perhaps?