@very-musty saidThere was nothing "obvious" about slavery ending in the South. The CSA Constitution seems to have assumed it would continue indefinitely:
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Your point? 🤔
Obviously slavery was on its way out.
All northern states had slavery.
Just because they stopped first doesn't make them Holy.
The American flag was flying when slavery was legal.
Not the Confederate flag.
States Rights is more than slavery.
Sec. 2. (I) The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired.
Article IV, sec 2 para 1
"The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States."
Article IV, sec. 3 para 3
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp
@averagejoe1 said
Sorry I should have posted a link, here are a couple. Couldn't find one on CNN!!!
And, please note that. The lib stations are embarrassed and show nothing.
Well, FOX and the Post are out there workin' for 'ya.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-jersey-school-board-removes-holiday-names-prevent-hurt-feelings
https://nypost.com/2021/06/11/nj-school-district-removes-all-holiday-names-from-academic-calendar/
The lib stations are embarrassed and show nothing.
It could be this is a vocal minority and not actually a liberal idea at all. Why are they embarrassed by something they want to do?
@no1marauder saidAnd even if LCR's are not representative of all Republicans they are still REPUBLICANS.
You're trying to claim that the Log Cabin Republicans are now representative of the GOP? I mean seriously, LMFAO! They didn't even endorse the Republican candidate for President in 3 of the last 8 elections. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans#2020_presidential_endorsement
Maybe we should teach kids the reasons for the Civil War, since you are so cluele ...[text shortened]... s' Reasons for Secession, which are almost exclusively focused on slavery. Do I have to do so, Earl?
Or are you going to cancel them and pretend they don't exist.
I put up my evidence, I'd like to see yours. I know you moved your lips, but let me see a link with a reputable source.
@earl-of-trumps saidSearching on this site for specific threads on topics is almost impossible now, but I've engaged in many discussions of the Civil War and almost all right wingers state the positions I described. I particularly remember whodey describing Lincoln as a "mass murderer".
And even if LCR's are not representative of all Republicans they are still REPUBLICANS.
Or are you going to cancel them and pretend they don't exist.
I put up my evidence, I'd like to see yours. I know you moved your lips, but let me see a link with a reputable source.
Obviously there's not a lot of polling on this topic, though disturbingly high numbers - usually a plurality - believe, erroneously, that "states rights" not slavery was the main cause of the war (as I have shown, the seceding States didn't agree).
One indication would be this poll from North Carolina: https://www.elon.edu/u/elon-poll/wp-content/uploads/sites/819/2021/04/Elon-Poll-Report-040821.pdf
84% of Republicans say that Confederate monuments should remain on public, government owned property.
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All states had those ridiculous laws and language until they grew up.
Abolition happened from the north and then down.
Maybe you're right...the south may have wanted to keep it.
My first comment was that the civil war was not about slavery until the Rebs kicked ass until 1863.
Then that war became about slavery...and "preserving the Union" 🙄
I'm sure you know best and more than me but I'm tired of people saying that war was about freeing slaves when I have read over 30 books on it and that was not the case.
Those men you call evil fought for States Rights and independence from a tyrannical federal government that to this day keeps people down.
@no1marauder
There are opposing views.
How Taxes Caused the Civil War (Not Slavery!)
Taxes caused the Civil War: Although I’m no scholar of American history, there are a few seminole events that I’ve always felt confident in having a basic understanding of. One of those is the cause of the Civil War, which was slavery, of course. But then, I did some research, and I had to rethink everything.
It seems that the root cause of the Civil War was not slavery, it was taxation. Over a century before anyone had even coined the term, “fake news,” our own government put a spin on the real cause of the Civil War which has been the accepted truth in history books and media to this day. Here’s how taxes caused the Civil War.
And more. https://www.mightytaxes.com/taxes-caused-civil-war/
Yes, I think slavery drove the issue and the Northerners were not at all afraid to push their weight around with
unfair tariffs to push the South into secession. One caused the other. But it was the direct shot of the Tariff
that was the straw that broke the camels back.
My opinion.
@very-musty saidThe war was started by the CSA and for them it was about slavery.
@no1marauder
All states had those ridiculous laws and language until they grew up.
Abolition happened from the north and then down.
Maybe you're right...the south may have wanted to keep it.
My first comment was that the civil war was not about slavery until the Rebs kicked ass until 1863.
Then that war became about slavery...and "preserving the Union" 🙄
I'm su ...[text shortened]... tes Rights and independence from a tyrannical federal government that to this day keeps people down.
It was not about "freeing the slaves" for the North.
That is the only conclusion possible based on the statements of the leaders of both sides.
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@no1marauder saidI can agree with that 🤔
The war was started by the CSA and for them it was about slavery.
It was not about "freeing the slaves" for the North.
That is the only conclusion possible based on the statements of the leaders of both sides.
Touche.
Except for the vague part about the South fighting for slavery.
It was States Rights!
@earl-of-trumps saidThere's obviously a lot wrong there; tariffs had been considerably reduced in 1846; in fact: "The Walker Tariff reduced tariff rates from 32% to 25%. Coinciding with Britain's repeal of the Corn Laws, it led to an increase in trade and was one of the lowest tariffs in American history." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_tariff
@no1marauder
There are opposing views.
[i]How Taxes Caused the Civil War (Not Slavery!)
Taxes caused the Civil War: Although I’m no scholar of American history, there are a few seminole events that I’ve always felt confident in having a basic understanding of. One of those is the cause of the Civil War, which was slavery, of course. But then, I did some researc ...[text shortened]... it was the direct shot of the Tariff
that was the straw that broke the camels back.
My opinion.
And tariffs were reduced even further in 1857: "The Tariff of 1857 was a major tax reduction in the United States that amended the Walker Tariff of 1846 by lowering rates to between 15% and 24%.[1][2]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff_of_1857
The Morrill Tariff could not have possibly caused secession; it was not passed until March 2, 1861 at which point: " it was passed by the Senate after seven States had seceded." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrill_Tariff
Also by that time, the CSA, had already held a meeting of Provisional Congress which formed a government and drafted a Constitution and the ratifying Convention for the Constitution had started on February 28, 1861. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Congress_of_the_Confederate_States
And, of course, tariffs were not mentioned in the first states' to secede Declarations of Reasons for Secession.
There had been arguments about tariffs since the establishment of the Republic but it never came close to triggering civil war. The election of a President who the South believed was too anti-slavery did the trick though.
@averagejoe1 saidJust because one school does something, doesn’t mean libs are defacing America or wiping out your history.
Your PC extremism may help us get control back. On national news today, some RaNJ school has removed holiday names,(christmas, Thanksgiving, Independence day, memorial day, etc) from the calendar. The phrase 'Day Off' will be used in lieu thereof. They say it will stave off 'hurt feelings'. Jesus.
Columbus Day will be changed to Indigenous People's day. Are y'all obliterating our history?
Obviously the US’s history is attrocious; violent, racist, murdering of civilians, etc… so, not actually sure why you’re so proud of it…
Anyhoo, I do agree with you that changing the name of Christmas is ridiculous. Who in hell is insulted by it?
And I’m a bloody atheist.
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@shavixmir said...said the former Scotsman whose ancestors thought...🤔
Just because one school does something, doesn’t mean libs are defacing America or wiping out your history.
Obviously the US’s history is attrocious; violent, racist, murdering of civilians, etc… so, not actually sure why you’re so proud of it…
Anyhoo, I do agree with you that changing the name of Christmas is ridiculous. Who in hell is insulted by it?
And I’m a bloody atheist.
...Hmmm...I don't agree with him...I shall cut him in half with a sword!...
And the USA is atrocious 🙄
@very-musty saidStates rights...to legalize slavery!
I can agree with that 🤔
Touche.
Except for the vague part about the South fighting for slavery.
It was States Rights!
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@athousandyoung saidWell...maybe... maybe not.
States rights...to legalize slavery!
States Rights involved a lot of topics.
Back then a criminal could cross a state line and be free from prosecution.
I bet you'd like that back?