@kmax87 saidSilly guy. The Iran Hostage Crisis came before the sanctions!!!! 🙂 NOT the other way around.
Typical MAGA arrogance and ignorance.
You dont get cause and effect, obviously.
I would like to see how you would react to 40 years of sanctions and whether you would fight the power. A while back you lot got riled up about cheaper healthcare, because obviously next step tyranny right! But in world terms, you lot simply have not one frikking clue what living under true ha ...[text shortened]... to appreciate a small fraction of what other people have been going through for all of their lives.
If you want to talk about 'cause and effect', could you start at the beginning? Please re-write a post that makes sense.
Tell him, Suzianne! There was a long chain of events, Kmax only cites the parts that fits his narrative!!! Geez.
@AverageJoe1 saidYou really need a lot of scaffolding don't you. The hostage crisis followed on from riots caused by unrest due to despotic dictatorial rule backed by state sponsored terrorism. Y'know the US state making sure the Reza Pahlavi regime continued to terrorise its people so that the the US could enjoy uninterrupted oil revenues. Right?
Silly guy. The Iran Hostage Crisis came before the sanctions!!!! 🙂 NOT the other way around.
If you want to talk about 'cause and effect', could you start at the beginning? Please re-write a post that makes sense.
Tell him, Suzianne! There was a long chain of events, Kmax only cites the parts that fits his narrative!!! Geez.
What followed was a revolution that overthrew that dictatorial regime, which the sponsors of that regime, ie the USA didn't like, so they cooked up a war and sponsored their neighbours Iraq to wage war for 8 years just to teach the ungrateful Iranians a lesson while placing Iran under perpetual sanction.
If there had been no revolution and the Iranians had not kicked out the Shah, the hostage crises would have ended and under the Shah why on earth would the US implement sanctions???
What part of this scenario don't you get? Either you are being willfully obtuse or you are really just very stupid.
@kmax87 saidYou’re rewriting a lot of history to make it fit a narrative that you have cooked up.
You really need a lot of scaffolding don't you. The hostage crisis followed on from riots caused by unrest due to despotic dictatorial rule backed by state sponsored terrorism. Y'know the US state making sure the Reza Pahlavi regime continued to terrorise its people so that the the US could enjoy uninterrupted oil revenues. Right?
What followed was a revolution that overthrew ...[text shortened]... is scenario don't you get? Either you are being willfully obtuse or you are really just very stupid.
First, the new revolutionary government under Ruhollah Khomeini allowed militants to seize the hostages. You ignore that?
. Reducing that entire war to “the U.S. cooked it up” ignores the dynamics of Middle Eastern politics at the time. You ignore a lot.
And hey, , if the revolution was purely about freedom from dictatorship, why did Iran end up replacing a monarchy with another authoritarian system that still implements, heinous dictator practices?
You are losing it. It is very difficult to reply to your irrational venting and bantering.
@AverageJoe1 saidPot look....Kettle
You’re rewriting a lot of history to make it fit a narrative that you have cooked up.
First, the new revolutionary government under Ruhollah Khomeini allowed militants to seize the hostages. You ignore that?
To say any group had the total run of things during the 444 days of the hostage crises is overstating things a little.
And hey, , if the revolution was purely about freedom from dictatorship, why did Iran end up replacing a monarchy with another authoritarian system that still implements, heinous dictator practices?
No one has hindsight when they act. Revolutionaries act believing things will be better. Period.
Reducing that entire war to “the U.S. cooked it up” ignores the dynamics of Middle Eastern politics at the time. You ignore a lot.
So America freezes Iranian assets as a consequence of hostages being taken. Check. Iraq kicks off an 8 year war with Iran supported by US military assets. Check. Hostages returned and Iranian assets unfrozen check. Accords signed. Check. But does the US do anything to influence Iraq to discontinue its war? Rather by 1984, the US Department of State designates Iran a state sponsor of terrorism for repeatedly providing “support for acts of international terrorism.” Oh the irony, and the designation brings with it sweeping US sanctions.
But no cooking by anyone. Check. Things just happened to happen that way. Check. After all everyone accepts long odds coincidences happen all the time. Check.
@Rajk999 saidI doubt any but a tiny percentage of the US' public is interested in "getting rid of Islam".
Its not my war and neither is it yours. Americans are interested in a wide variety of things including the following:
- security
- getting rid of Islam
- helping others get rid of rogue governments
- assisting Israel
- peace in the Middle East
- the price of oil.
Whether or not you are interested in these things is or no consequence. We can see you had no interest in the 50,000 Iranians killed by their govt for protesting... hypocrite.
Hypocrisy is you pretending you give the tiniest s**t about Iranians being killed by their oppressive government as you call for a world wide Holy War to eradicate Muslims.
@AverageJoe1 saidAnd the tone deaf award of the quarter goes to...........
You are losing it. It is very difficult to reply to your irrational venting and bantering.
@AverageJoe1 saidGetting OLD? So you are saying Trump never said he LITERALLY obliterated the nuke capability but 2 weeks later they are within 2 weeks of a nuke?
You mention obliteration almost as much as you mention 34 felonies. That gets really old. If I win a football game and say I own that field, I don’t really own that field. It is a figure of speech to make a point. You are so naïve….. to obliterate something is to make it indistinct. He was not saying that he made the area indistinct. Do you get it now.
Next, how do ...[text shortened]... In situations where things change, hourly, then the story… Follow me… Changes every hour. Jesus.
You don't find a damn thing wrong with that pack of lies.
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@sonhouse saidIran declared they were two weeks away from assembling 11 nuclear weapons, so they brought it on themselves.
Getting OLD? So you are saying Trump never said he LITERALLY obliterated the nuke capability but 2 weeks later they are within 2 weeks of a nuke?
You don't find a damn thing wrong with that pack of lies.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidWhat Facebook post claimed that absurdity?
Iran declared they were two weeks away from assembling 11 nuclear weapons, so they brought it on themselves.
Iran has constantly denied any intention to develop nuclear weapons. Believe them or not, but they certainly have never claimed they were about to deploy any.
@Cliff-Mashburn said😆 😆 😆
Iran declared they were two weeks away from assembling 11 nuclear weapons, so they brought it on themselves.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidSo Trump WAS lying when he said he "OBLITERATED" their nuke capability.
Iran declared they were two weeks away from assembling 11 nuclear weapons, so they brought it on themselves.
Good to know, because we just don't see Trump lying that much, right?
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@no1marauder saidIt was all over the news.
What Facebook post claimed that absurdity?
Iran has constantly denied any intention to develop nuclear weapons. Believe them or not, but they certainly have never claimed they were about to deploy any.
https://www.jns.org/iran-boasted-of-being-able-to-produce-11-nuclear-bombs-witkoff-says/