@sonhouse saidActually......follow me.. the stock market was referred to as 'crashed', if ever, in 1929. But it really never has, has it. If a plane crashes, it don't fly no more. This market has wings.
Trump doesn't have a CLUE as to how to run a war, he is all bluster, then attack something, then the stock market crashes, I WON and lets go home......
The US stock market, specifically the S&P 500, has seen a total nominal return of approximately 889,669% since the beginning of 1929. This reflects the growth of the market including the reinvestment of all dividends.
Golly, almost a Million Percent since 1929. So , you are wrong again. War? Don has ended 7 of them. Won and go home? He does not ever go home, the man does NOT get bored, he never sleeps, works all the time in the face of you hyenas for 12 years, with 100 accomplishments, which I will not bother linking. One who faults all 100 of them is quite sad, with no sense. No sense of anything except writing letters to himself. Losers don't like winners. (I made that up!!)
Oh, I wonder why gas has not already started dropping. Maybe Donald has been tied up with destroying Iran, just wait.
@Suzianne saidThis one did not cite a source!!!!!!
I agree in Europe. Except the US liberated France and the Netherlands. Hitler had a non-aggression pact with the USSR until late in the war, when they were toast anyways. USSR did liberate several of the concentration camps, which was a good thing by any estimation, taking back Poland in the process.
But my biggest disagreement here is with you saying "arguably against ...[text shortened]... and studying the battles of WW2 in the Pacific was pretty much a requirement in my house growing up.
@AverageJoe1 saidJoJoe, there's whataboutism and then there's wtfaboutism.
Yeah, and I think the UK guy ghost is researching the hell of King Henry's treatment of prisoners in the Tower of London, beheaded his own wife. All of us have history, you got that right.
There's 100 years of history that included 2 world wars and the consolidation of oil production and the control of oil reserves by British and then US corporations which meant denying the Iranian people's right to rule. Prior to the theocracy of the Ayatollah's coming to power America's puppet rode roughshod over the Iranian people and your response to that is wtfaboutism. But thats your problem. From your perspective America lives in a world without consequence. Much like your much loved leader! Allegedly. Well somedays your chickens come home to roost.
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@kmax87 saidThank you, robust conversation is Rare on the forum, I appreciate your post.
JoJoe, there's whataboutism and then there's wtfaboutism.
There's 100 years of history that included 2 world wars and the consolidation of oil production and the control of oil reserves by British and then US corporations which meant denying the Iranian people's right to rule. Prior to the theocracy of the Ayatollah's coming to power America's puppet rode roughshod over th ...[text shortened]... quence. Much like your much loved leader! Allegedly. Well somedays your chickens come home to roost.
Logic is the blood of debate. Yours is a leap in logic, using historical grievances to justify or excuse the behavior of the current regime.
LOTS of countries have complicated histories with Western powers, but they didn’t respond by funding terrorism, threatening to wipe another nation off the map, and pursuing nuclear weapons. The current Iranian regime is responsible for its own actions, don’t you see? Certainly you will grant me that point.?
You are telling us that because of events decades ago, the current regime gets a permanent pass to fund terrorism, arm militias across the Middle East, and threaten nuclear escalation? That’s not history — that’s excuse-making, Kmax.
Should there not be consequences for a regime that behaves like that, you really do want to just give them a pass?? a couple of you say that it is not our business. Yeah, right. Nuclear is everyone’s business.
Before 1979, Iran was not threatening Israel, building proxy militias, or chanting “death to America.” Those policies came AFTER the bad people took power.
My 2 cents, and I implore you to use logic , or write like SHouse, can’t do both! Oh, and it is refresing to see a post that has a beginning, a middle and an end, that does NOT MENTION Trump.
@AverageJoe1 saidNothing the US does will prevent Iran from supporting its regional allies and opposing Israel's aggression and oppression.
Thank you, robust conversation is Rare on the forum, I appreciate your post.
Logic is the blood of debate. Yours is a leap in logic, using historical grievances to justify or excuse the behavior of the current regime.
LOTS of countries have complicated histories with Western powers, but they didn’t respond by funding terrorism, threatening to wipe another nation off ...[text shortened]... t is refresing to see a post that has a beginning, a middle and an end, that does NOT MENTION Trump.
This war is immoral folly.
@AverageJoe1 saidStock market up since the 29 crash? Wow, who could have ever predicted that? All that has nothing to do with the fact Trump cannot manage money, all he wants is an never ending flow of money to his bank accounts.
Actually......follow me.. the stock market was referred to as 'crashed', if ever, in 1929. But it really never has, has it. If a plane crashes, it don't fly no more. This market has wings.
The US stock market, specifically the S&P 500, has seen a total nominal return of approximately 889,669% since the beginning of 1929. This reflects the growth of the market incl ...[text shortened]... as has not already started dropping. Maybe Donald has been tied up with destroying Iran, just wait.
@no1marauder saidYou write not one fact, nor do you support your opinions with a hint of reason.
Nothing the US does will prevent Iran from supporting its regional allies and opposing Israel's aggression and oppression.
This war is immoral folly.
You actually say that the United States of America cannot prevent Iran from doing something. I would venture to say that we can prevent many countries from doing anything, especially squashing bugs like Iran. Iran stirred the ire of Trump in the 80s, he savors the moment. I know you hate it. The phrase America first must really get on your nerves..
@sonhouse saidJesus Son house, I am trying to go to church. But let me take the moment to bring everyone up to speed about what you wrote a few clicks back. Implying that the market dropped while Trump was doing his thing in Iran. We all wonder what you meant by that…., were you saying that it is over for the market? To me, it is a buying opportunity, as the market continues to surge in the future up to 60,000 by 2029. So you just write whatever pops into your mind.
Stock market up since the 29 crash? Wow, who could have ever predicted that? All that has nothing to do with the fact Trump cannot manage money, all he wants is an never ending flow of money to his bank accounts.
Like this, a few clicks back:
Trump doesn't have a CLUE as to how to run a war, he is all bluster, then attack something, then the stock market crashes.
Yes, and we all knew it was gonna crash Sonhouse. We also know it’s gonna go back up.!!!
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@AverageJoe1 saidTrump lied to you saying he would keep us out of regime change foreign wars. But you're so much of a groveling fool that now you simply accept and defend his 180 degree turn.
You write not one fact, nor do you support your opinions with a hint of reason.
You actually say that the United States of America cannot prevent Iran from doing something. I would venture to say that we can prevent many countries from doing anything, especially squashing bugs like Iran. Iran stirred the ire of Trump in the 80s, he savors the moment. I know you hate it. The phrase America first must really get on your nerves..
"America first" was a slogan meant to, in part, indicate that this nation would no longer get involved in futile military adventures overseas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee
It's beyond ironic for you to use it as an excuse for Trump's war.
The attempt to topple the regime by killing off an 86 year old man has obviously failed as I told you it would; they simply replaced him and others with different personnel. So now what? How is Israel and the US going to prevent Iran from supporting groups they don't like or opposing Israel?
Please tell us without simply claiming that the clown temporarily occupying the White House has some secret, brilliant plan.
@AverageJoe1 saidTrump is now begging China(!) and other nations to send warships to escort tankers through the Strait of Hormuz, which Iran, despite having nothing of military value left according to him, as managed to effectively close.https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikestunson/2026/03/14/trump-urges-china-uk-and-other-countries-to-send-warships-to-strait-of-hormuz/
Jesus Son house, I am trying to go to church. But let me take the moment to bring everyone up to speed about what you wrote a few clicks back. Implying that the market dropped while Trump was doing his thing in Iran. We all wonder what you meant by that…., were you saying that it is over for the market? To me, it is a buying opportunity, as the market continues to surge ...[text shortened]... crashes.
Yes, and we all knew it was gonna crash Sonhouse. We also know it’s gonna go back up.!!!
@no1marauder saidAmerica First means U.S. interests come first—not that we ignore threats until they explode. Why be obtuse with your every post. Did u
Trump lied to you saying he would keep us out of regime change foreign wars. But you're so much of a groveling fool that now you simply accept and defend his 180 degree turn.
"America first" was a slogan meant to, in part, indicate that this nation would no longer get involved in futile military adventures overseas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee ...[text shortened]... imply claiming that the clown temporarily occupying the White House has some secret, brilliant plan.
Like Obama who deferred all the time.
Iran has spent decades funding and arming groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, attacking shipping, and threatening Israel and U.S. forces. Pretending that doing nothing is the “peaceful” option ignores reality. Do you not agree that that is what they’ve been doing,?!?
And targeting the leader, regardless his age, and his lieutenants, isn’t pointless. Removing key decision-makers disrupts planning, command structure, and coordination. Militaries have done that in every major conflict. It is commonplace. Another example of non-military people, not knowing what you’re talking about.
So the real question isn’t “Why act?”—it’s why in the world you think letting Iran keep expanding influence and supporting proxy attacks would somehow make the region safer. Pure idiocy, or worse, pure flying off the handle like bozo the clown. You make absolutely no sense at all.
Hey l, out of190 countries, one of us has to be first. You do not want America to be first. Curious indeed, but more so, tell us who you want to be first, or as a liberal, do you think we ought to ALL be equal?!😂😂😂😂😂
I think Trump is still true to his promise to keep us out of foreign wars. But what you failed to realize is that we have beenalready in this war, we have not joined or started the war. Please explain this to Sue et al, close your post,so they do not get the wrong idea.
As to your curtains remark about regime change, of course, any president would like to see certain people for future relationships. So naturally, he would like to have a say so to the leaders as to who he would like to have picked in the car . Right now you write it like you think he’s gonna put on a crown and go sit on the throne over there. Typical liberal crap. .
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@AverageJoe1 saidNo matter how many times you say this BS, the US and Iran have not been at war for 47 years. We've pursued policies in the Middle East which threaten that and virtually every other non-Israeli nation there and they have responded but that does not make a war. Otherwise, as I pointed out to Mike before he threw his hissy fit, the USSR would have been justified in going to war with the US in the 1980s for supporting Afghan rebels fighting against Soviet occupation.
America First means U.S. interests come first—not that we ignore threats until they explode. Why be obtuse with your every post. Did u
Like Obama who deferred all the time.
Iran has spent decades funding and arming groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, attacking shipping, and threatening Israel and U.S. forces. Pretending that doing nothing is the “peaceful” option ignores ...[text shortened]... ike you think he’s gonna put on a crown and go sit on the throne over there. Typical liberal crap. .
But the President could have asked for a declaration of war against Iran at any time including Trump's first four years. Didn't happen for some reason probably because almost everyone knows your claim of 47 years of war is utter nonsense.
Your non-answers to my questions is typical. You, like Trump, have no idea how this folly can be brought to anything resembling a successful conclusion. Begging other countries to help bail him out of this economic disaster seems to be his new "strategy" but needing China's help is a weird way to support "America First".
@no1marauder saidStrait of America. That's the new name after the US reopens it. Irans navy is with SpongeBob. Have patience.
Trump is now begging China(!) and other nations to send warships to escort tankers through the Strait of Hormuz, which Iran, despite having nothing of military value left according to him, as managed to effectively close.https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikestunson/2026/03/14/trump-urges-china-uk-and-other-countries-to-send-warships-to-strait-of-hormuz/
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@Rajk999 saidTrump keeps saying that too but somehow no tankers want to risk passage through the Strait. Weird, huh?
Strait of America. That's the new name after the US reopens it. Irans navy is with SpongeBob. Have patience.
Land based anti-ship missiles can close a small water passage just as effectively as naval warships.