@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidYeah .. that might make sense to you and your buddies [and pussies like Starmer and company], down at the pub after a few pints but it really is a load of nonsense.
The current action does indeed help/embolden Israel, but will not improve security in the region. (it's making the Middle East less secure). It certainly won't get rid of Islam or unseat the current regime in Iran, and is having a negative impact on the price of oil.
This is a terrible blunder by Trump. It will be his legacy, and he fears it.
Iran is finished. Its nuclear programme is destroyed. All its military and airforce and navy is all bombed. So very little support now goes out to Hezbollah and the Houthis or any other terrorist group.
This alone is a major improvement to security in the Mid East. Also the fact that Iran chose to attack about 10 of its neighbours, shows they no longer have their support.
A higher price of oil is a plus for oil producing countries... good thing for us.
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@Indonesia-Phil saidThats up to the people. They have been given that opportunity by Israel and the US. If they dont take it then its their fault.... both in Iran and the US. I suspect in the US Trump is still going to be a favourite... as the alternatives are weaklings
By far the best outcome of the war with Iran would be for the people to rise up against tyranny, and for there to be a regime change, in America I mean, of course.
@kmax87 saidMy my….. you seem to conveniently be leaving out the part where this started. After the Iranian Revolution, Iran’s regime seized the U.S. embassy and held Americans hostage during the Iran Hostage Crisis. That’s not a country being put in a “chokehold” — that’s a regime initiating hostility.
Well the "bad people" had to contend with an 8 year war with Iraq after the "bad people" came into power and tell me who was Iraq acting as a proxy for during this first decade of theocratic rule in Iran? Who sold Iraq all the military support it needed in the 80s? Who propped up the Saddam Hussein regime to wage war against Iran JoJoe? It was the US JoJoe!
And since the ...[text shortened]... t Iran has acted irrationally?
If someone puts you in a chokehold, do you have a right to resist?
Yes, I looked it up, I anm not encyclopedic , I see we backed Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, but since then Iran has spent decades funding and arming groups like Hezbollah to attack U.S. forces and allies. Give us a break, I keep wondering what you are trying to get at.
So we did not strangle Iran, they chose confrontation, think about it. IT IS WHAT THEY DO.
@Indonesia-Phil saidSo, could you not round out your post for a change and tell us what you mean about regime chain in America… Do you mean replace Trump? With whom? Please. Be honest. Can they handle all the irons in the fire??
By far the best outcome of the war with Iran would be for the people to rise up against tyranny, and for there to be a regime change, in America I mean, of course.
Kamala would find it hot, Newsome, gets his hairdo singed, AOC, Omar, all women in a war? Please tell us
@AverageJoe1 saidHe already attacked Venezuela AND Iran and you think he is keeping us out of foreign wars? Can you give us a list of your meds?
America First means U.S. interests come first—not that we ignore threats until they explode. Why be obtuse with your every post. Did u
Like Obama who deferred all the time.
Iran has spent decades funding and arming groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, attacking shipping, and threatening Israel and U.S. forces. Pretending that doing nothing is the “peaceful” option ignores ...[text shortened]... ike you think he’s gonna put on a crown and go sit on the throne over there. Typical liberal crap. .
@sonhouse saidHe got Maduro. No attack, no war, a simple C-section. Got rid of a cancer that way, VZuela appreciates it. So do we. Settle, man.
He already attacked Venezuela AND Iran and you think he is keeping us out of foreign wars? Can you give us a list of your meds?
Find many posts about the attack on a threatening nation, you will find some who think he should have done it to end a war they started 48 years ago, and some faeries who say that we should let Iran be.. This is why we love the Forum....thanks, Russ. We can pick any group to join in with. Seems like you have blending in quite well.
@AverageJoe1 saidYour problem is you are in the distinct minority, WAY more are against the war in Iran BECAUSE of the lies and misinformation they have been slinging out from day one.
He got Maduro. No attack, no war, a simple C-section. Got rid of a cancer that way, VZuela appreciates it. So do we. Settle, man.
Find many posts about the attack on a threatening nation, you will find some who think he should have done it to end a war they started 48 years ago, and some faeries who say that we should let Iran be.. This is why we love the Forum....thanks, Russ. We can pick any group to join in with. Seems like you have blending in quite well.
@AverageJoe1 saidI already told you his lies, like the first bombing, he said the nuke capabilities were OBLIBERATED but then the story changed, Iran is within 2 weeks of having a nuke.
You fail to mention what the lies and info are.
Please do.
But then its about oil, no, its about regime change, their story changes day by day, I think about 8 separate excuses to bomb Iran.
@AverageJoe1 saidWhy did this revolution start? Because the Shah, America's puppet had a secret police force called the SAVAK that would remove people and torture them on the mere suspicion of being anti the Shah's regime.
My my….. you seem to conveniently be leaving out the part where this started. After the Iranian Revolution, Iran’s regime seized the U.S. embassy and held Americans hostage during the Iran Hostage Crisis. That’s not a country being put in a “chokehold” — that’s a regime initiating hostility.
Yes, I looked it up, I anm not encyclopedic , I see we backed Iraq during the ...[text shortened]... at.
So we did not strangle Iran, they chose confrontation, think about it. IT IS WHAT THEY DO.
And you really can't add up the rest,
Let's put it to you this way.
Across town where you live, you pay someone $200 every month to keep 3 people locked up in the basement of a building. Now because you are a busy man and because you trust the person who jails these three people, whats the likelihood that they will be at the forefront of your day to day thinking? I would argue that after 6 months you won't be thinking about them much if at all. But the three people locked in the basement are hardly likely to forget they are locked up or obsess about who locked them up or why they got locked up at all.
Now if you really can't see the analogy then let's not argue hey. You believe you!
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@kmax87
“Let's not forget the puppet dictatorship the US held in place for many a decade with the Shah of Iran before the hostage crisis and the Ayatollah's taking over, and how the US backed him to suppress the will of the Iranian people,”
I think you’ll find, on deeper study, that the autocratic Shah was unpopular mainly among the religious elite of the country who objected to the rapid modernisation and Westernisation of the country. Yes, 10% of the country was dissatisfied with the US backed Shah, but you have to bear in mind how strong religious affiliations in that country were, and still are. Which is why they craved the theocracy of the ayatollahs.
@AverageJoe1 saidWhy don't you want to go back to 1953 and talk about how the CIA overthrew their democratically elected leader and replaced him with a brutal dictator to serve US interests?
A recent poll says about 50% of people don’t know why Iran is considered a threat or why the U.S. would attack them. Some say President Trump hasn’t explained the reasons. That raises a simple question: have yall been paying attention for the past 47 years?
Iran’s conflict with the United States didn’t start yesterday. Over decades there have been terror attacks, hosta ...[text shortened]... d pressed to impeach him for whatever in the world you want to impeach him for. Good luck with that.
https://www.britannica.com/event/1953-coup-in-Iran
You were duped by out of context propaganda. Now...imagine China overthrows the USA by coup and installs a dictator into power. No hard feelings toward China? Be honest. You would be outraged.
@Pianoman1 saidYes under the Shah many enjoyed the secularisation and liberalisation and modernisation that he brought. The religious elite got nervous because if they let it happen, would Iran lose its culture to American homogenisation, Hollywood and McDonalds. And some had a longer memory of what happened when the US got rid of Mosaddegh and any notion of Iran having any self determination was gone the more they allowed US influence to form the identity of their youth who were rapidly embracing the lifestyles and freedoms they were readily adopting and I'm sure there were many Mullahs horrified at how quickly this influence was transforming their youth into a people totally unrecognisable from the generations before. Thousands of years of culture gone for shiny baubles and things. The revolution was a response to a perceived existential crises.
I think you’ll find, on deeper study, that the autocratic Shah was unpopular mainly among the religious elite of the country who objected to the rapid modernisation and Westernisation of the country. Yes, 10% of the country was dissatisfied with the US backed Shah, but you have to bear in mind how strong religious affiliations in that country were, and still are. Which is why they craved the theocracy of the ayatollahs.
@sonhouse saidYou mention obliteration almost as much as you mention 34 felonies. That gets really old. If I win a football game and say I own that field, I don’t really own that field. It is a figure of speech to make a point. You are so naïve….. to obliterate something is to make it indistinct. He was not saying that he made the area indistinct. Do you get it now.
I already told you his lies, like the first bombing, he said the nuke capabilities were OBLIBERATED but then the story changed, Iran is within 2 weeks of having a nuke.
But then its about oil, no, its about regime change, their story changes day by day, I think about 8 separate excuses to bomb Iran.
Next, how do you know how close Iran is to having a nuke? You don’t, so you can hardly call such statements, a lie. Whew.
Thirdly, you say that it is not about oil, that it is about regime change. Follow me here… That is an opinion, an opinion of yours. Being an opinion, there is no lie.
You’re saying that the story changes every day… What in the hell does that mean, and what does that mean about lying, fool?
In closing, let me help you here. In situations where things change, hourly, then the story… Follow me… Changes every hour. Jesus.
@kmax87 saidWho cares why the Iran revolution started.? Why is irrelevant, I have said it on the Forum for years.
Why did this revolution start? Because the Shah, America's puppet had a secret police force called the SAVAK that would remove people and torture them on the mere suspicion of being anti the Shah's regime.
And you really can't add up the rest,
Let's put it to you this way.
Across town where you live, you pay someone $200 every month to keep 3 people locked up in the b ...[text shortened]... ked up at all.
Now if you really can't see the analogy then let's not argue hey. You believe you!
You assume that because the Shah was repressive, that the current regime and its behavior are somehow understandable or justified. How can you ignore what the current regime has been doing for the last 47 years? Using your analogy, the new landlord just built a bigger basement and locked up even more people.
Do good analogies. Better than hering sonhouse 34 felonies and obliteration!!!!
How can you libs ignore the last 47 years? And yoiu dojn't fear nukes? Sue serving koolaid lately?