Originally posted by darvlayRed Night thwarted yet again. lmao.
Also said by the same jerk in a September 18, 1858 debate:
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry wit ...[text shortened]... much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."
Originally posted by Red NightHe was nothing more than a political opportunist and a martyr.
It is difficult to judge historical figures using modern norms.
Lincoln said the above during debates with Stephen Douglass.
He was attempting to soften the image of the Republican party as radical emancipationists.
Lincoln's subsequent actions speak far louder than these words.
And to call one of the great figures of the 19th century a jerk reduces your argument to that of an irrational polemic.
Originally posted by PalynkaHardly...
And yet words from a distant past is all you have to show for your supposed superiority.
But, I grow weary of arguing with you and your band of euro-snobs.
Remember this, years ago, your great-great-great-great-grand uncle left your great-great-great-great-great grandfather behind and came here to the New World where he and his family prospered, inter-married with our families and built the greatest and most powerful country of the twentieth century.
You can sit back and look down your old world noses all you like, but do not forget that we are the product of immigrants from every country on earth, fleeing oppression and poverty for freedom and a better way of life.
Originally posted by Red NightHear hear!
Hardly...
But, I grow weary of arguing with you and your band of euro-snobs.
Remember this, years ago, your great-great-great-great-grand uncle left your great-great-great-great-great grandfather behind and came here to the New World where he and his family prospered, inter-married with our families and built the greatest and most powerful country ...[text shortened]... rom every country on earth, fleeing oppression and poverty for freedom and a better way of life.
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Originally posted by Red NightEuro-snobs? You proclaim your own greatness and superiority and it's me the snob?
Hardly...
But, I grow weary of arguing with you and your band of euro-snobs.
Remember this, years ago, your great-great-great-great-grand uncle left your great-great-great-great-great grandfather behind and came here to the New World where he and his family prospered, inter-married with our families and built the greatest and most powerful country ...[text shortened]... rom every country on earth, fleeing oppression and poverty for freedom and a better way of life.
It's not my fault that you have nowadays nothing to show for your greatness than gold and guns. If you think that makes you better in anyway than me, that's your problem. It's not me spitting in the memory of my heroes.
Originally posted by Red Nightspeak for yourself im native american... abanaki from lake champlain.. upstate newyork/vermont
Hardly...
You can sit back and look down your old world noses all you like, but do not forget that we are the product of immigrants from every country on earth, fleeing oppression and poverty for freedom and a better way of life.
Originally posted by Red NightYou do a good job at asserting negative stereotypes about Americans yourself. Do you really want "us" to see Americans as arrogant fools? Luckily I know a lot of decent Americans who would never be so arrogant to say that only Americans can mourn the losses on both sides of many wars without politicizing the motives (and it also is implied in your statement that not only some Americans, but Americans in general do so, which is obviously false), so I don't buy it.
You all think you know Americans from watching some crappy movies and out-of-date televsion programs.
