Originally posted by celticcountryIs this something recent? because I was in school just a few years ago and they taught ABOUT evolution. they didnt try to instill it in us as our own belief, they just explain it in great detail. they also taught ABOUT creationism. then they followed both up with, thats just what we have to teach, you can believe what you like.
I read recently that the theory of evolution is Banned in American teaching venues.
Originally posted by UmbrageOfSnowI agree with your post. The reason I'm so vicious about it is because people like Coconut talk like they have all the information on evolution, but the truth is that they have never read a single credible thing on the subject. All he can do is regurgitate warmed over creationist swill that he has been indoctrinated in, probably since birth. He acts as though he knows it all, but his knowledge is so deficient that he isn't even qualified to have an opinion on the matter, let alone act as though he could demolish evolution singlehandedly if he chose to take the time. It is nearly impossible for me to show someone like him any courtesy.
I don't see why everyone gets so vicious about this. I, obviously, believe evolution and I actually know several devout catholics who do as well, but I don't have a problem with informed people believing whatever they want. What bugs me are people who don't know what they are talking about arguing about it. I think everyone should have to at leas ...[text shortened]... .
All the evidence supporting ID can be better explained by the "blind watchmaker" concept.
Your post does confuse me in one area, though. You say at one point that: I am against teaching creation in public schools..., and then in another area you say: I am not opposed to teaching alternatives to evolution.... This would seem to be a contradiction. What other alternatives to evolution are there besides creationism? What, Lamarckianism?
Well there is the flying spaghetti monster theory 🙂
http://www.venganza.org/
but my point was that it isn't the concept of giving kids a choice to look at the facts for why it should be kept out of schools. One arguement creationists use is that science is just another religion and can't tolerate people presenting alternative (unsubstanciated) beliefs. The problem I have is setting the precendent to allow religion in schools and to teachers who would teach evolution and creation as two conflicting beliefs without mention of the evidence in support of evolution and an understanding of what the theory says.
Originally posted by UmbrageOfSnowThe spaghetti monster thing was pretty funny. I read it a couple days ago.
Well there is the flying spaghetti monster theory 🙂
http://www.venganza.org/
but my point was that it isn't the concept of giving kids a choice to look at the facts for why it should be kept out of schools. One arguement creationists use is that science is just another religion and can't tolerate people presenting alternative (unsubstanciat ...[text shortened]... ut mention of the evidence in support of evolution and an understanding of what the theory says.
Evolution and creationism shouldn't be taught as two conflicting beliefs because they should never be taught in the same class. Ever. Science class is for teaching science, not religion. Evolution is science. Creationism is religion. If the shool offered a comparative religious study class, then that is the only way I would endorse even mentioning creationism in a public school (and maybe not even then). But science class should be left strictly to science.
Originally posted by CoconutIt has done all those things. If you read any reputable material on the subject, you'd see that. By the way, you never answered my question about what books you have read and who hosted those conferences you went to.
*sigh*
even though it can't match the scientific process involving hypothesis, testing, observing, and repeating.
Originally posted by rwingettone was just a church with various videos. But another was an auditorium presentation hosted by the author of this book, which I don't remember the name of and it's somewhere else in my house. Give me a bit and I'll find it. Some pretty good stuff in it, I just haven't used it for a few years.
It has done all those things. If you read any reputable material on the subject, you'd see that. By the way, you never answered my question about what books you have read and who hosted those conferences you went to.
My high school friends and I have also had lenthy discussions with school science teachers (Christian and non-Christian) about evolution and the start of life.
Originally posted by CoconutThe debates don't interest me. I only want to know about the books and the conferences.
one was just a church with various videos. But another was an auditorium presentation hosted by the author of this book, which I don't remember the name of and it's somewhere else in my house. Give me a bit and I'll find it. Some pretty good stuff in it, I just haven't used it for a few years.
My high school friends and I have also had lenthy discussi ...[text shortened]... ith school science teachers (Christian and non-Christian) about evolution and the start of life.
What kind of school do you go to?