Originally posted by drdonthank you....croatia has 'troublesome' soldiers too. all they want to do is f*** and not fight! one cannot win a war using condoms as bullets; maybe tampons loaded with #12 buckshot, but certainly not condoms.
Well said! The video says more about war than it does about Americans in general. Australia is a wonderful country. Australians, for the most part, are wonderful people, despite a shocking record of past genocide against and current neglect of its indigenous people. Yet some Australian troops participated in heinous activities during the Vietnam conflict (eg w ...[text shortened]... in the conflict, irrespective of whether the conflict is popularly deemed to be right or wrong.
Originally posted by arrakisare you so naive to believe that 'training' had anything to do with their behavior? don't lump ALL soldiers with these 'idiots'. Now, the gov't is another story, and I agree with you there.
That's disgusting!
As an American I am ashamed of our government and their training of our solders.
Originally posted by drdonI think you should do more research on Australia before commenting on it. In the first place, it is debatable when the emergence of Australians as a distinct people with a distinct national consciousness emerged. A lot of what you call genocide was carried out by people who thought of themselves as British. British colonisation of Australia began in 1788, but it wasn't until 1901 that the Australian nation was born. Certainly there was an Australian national identity for at least a few decades before that, but the events you write of were even earlier - here's a relevant quote from wikipedia: "The Tasmanians, estimated to number between 4,000 and 6,000 people in 1803, was reduced to a population of around 300 by 1833, mainly killed by the white settlers who came to Australia from the United Kingdom, although disease and cultural disruption contributed as well". That is, most of the killing in Tasmania (the closest to genocide) happened within the first fifty years after the beginning of colonisation, long before anything like a national identity could have formed. The charge should be laid against British settlers, not Australians.
Well said! The video says more about war than it does about Americans in general. Australia is a wonderful country. Australians, for the most part, are wonderful people, despite a shocking record of past genocide against and current neglect of its indigenous people. Yet some Australian troops participated in heinous activities during the Vietnam conflict (eg w ...[text shortened]... in the conflict, irrespective of whether the conflict is popularly deemed to be right or wrong.
As for current neglect, I don't think so. In fact the law in Australia is prejudiced in favour of Aboriginals in many respects, and it is clearly against the law to discriminate against them (or anyone else) in matters of access to employment, education, accommodation and so on; in fact there are very many public programs in place to increase their access to these things. It is true that Aboriginals were denied the vote until a few decades ago, and that was wrong, but universal suffrage has not been around in most of the rest of the world for very long either, and also it's a long way from 'genocide'.
I assure you I don't need to do more research in this area having post graduate degrees in the area. The last recorded mass poisoning of koori (indigenous Australians) tribes occurred in 1935, Well after Federation. Up until 1974, principals of NSW schools were instructed to refuse the enrolment of Aboriginal students if the local white community objected; the average life expectancy of Aboriginal males is 30 years less than that of non-Aboriginal people; the infant mortality of Koori babies remains more than twice that of non-kooris, and one of the highest in the world... shall I go on... this is just the tip of the iceberg, my fellow Australian.
Originally posted by dfm65Come now, my child. You Ozzys are just as guilty of mistreating your indigenous peoples as the Americans are. Your argument lends credit to the saying that Americans didn't screw the Indians; it was the British, German, and Irish settlers. The Americans came to the rescue by providing them with luxurious reservations and first-class casinos. 🙄
I think you should do more research on Australia before commenting on it. In the first place, it is debatable when the emergence of Australians as a distinct people with a distinct national consciousness emerged. A lot of what you call genocide was carried out by people who thought of themselves as British. British colonisation of Australia began in 1788, but ...[text shortened]... of the rest of the world for very long either, and also it's a long way from 'genocide'.
Originally posted by dfm65I agree with drdon on this point. In a nutshell:
I think you should do more research on Australia before commenting on it. In the first place, it is debatable when the emergence of Australians as a distinct people with a distinct national consciousness emerged. A lot of what you call genocide was carried out by people who thought of themselves as British. British colonisation of Australia began in 1788, but ...[text shortened]... of the rest of the world for very long either, and also it's a long way from 'genocide'.
The definition of genocide can be found in the Genocide Convention otherwise Kruger v Cth. The assimilation policies of the Australian government (post 1901) are examples of genocide (according to the convention) in practice.
regarding current neglect, if laws are in place in favour of Indigenous people it is there for a reason; to rectify inequities.
Originally posted by stockenYour opinion of soldiers is of littlte significance and is ludikrus. If it wasn't for soldiers, sweden wouldn't exist; don't be totally stupid; a little stupid is ok, but you ae exhibiting maximum stupidity with your rant
Soldiers are testosterone ridden puts, their skills absolutely worthless and
their military contributions of no importance. These kinds of soldiers are
even lower than that. If ever I was for humiliation as punishment... 😞
Originally posted by drdonAnd what was the infant mortality rate of these guys before 1788? What was their life expectancy? I'll bet it's higher today than it was then. And you'll need to supply more details of your 1935 events before i can comment on them. At any rate, i'll bet they're not of a magnitude to be labelled 'genocide'. I'm not saying the Aboriginal people have not been subjected to racist treatment, but the very imprecise nature of your claims doesn't lend credence to your claim to have postgraduate degrees in the area.
I assure you I don't need to do more research in this area having post graduate degrees in the area. The last recorded mass poisoning of koori (indigenous Australians) tribes occurred in 1935, Well after Federation. Up until 1974, principals of NSW schools were instructed to refuse the enrolment of Aboriginal students if the local white community objected; th ...[text shortened]... est in the world... shall I go on... this is just the tip of the iceberg, my fellow Australian.
Originally posted by IncomparableIstrianYour opinion of soldiers is of little significance and is ludicrous. If it wasn't
Your opinion of soldiers is of littlte significance and is ludikrus. If it wasn't for soldiers, sweden wouldn't exist; don't be totally stupid; a little stupid is ok, but you ae exhibiting maximum stupidity with your rant
for soldiers, wars couldn't be waged; don't be totally stupid; a little stupid is
ok, but you are exhibiting maximum stupidity with your rant. 😛
Originally posted by dfm65I thought the issue was whether Australia had committed acts of genocide.
And what was the infant mortality rate of these guys before 1788? What was their life expectancy? I'll bet it's higher today than it was then. And you'll need to supply more details of your 1935 events before i can comment on them. At any rate, i'll bet they're not of a magnitude to be labelled 'genocide'. I'm not saying the Aboriginal people have not been sub ...[text shortened]... ur claims doesn't lend credence to your claim to have postgraduate degrees in the area.
The definition of “genocide” in the Genocide Convention is as follows:
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy , in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) killing members of the group
(b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
(c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
(d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
(e) forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
Kruger v Cth. 1997, Dawson J.
Originally posted by chrissyb(a) killing members of the group …YES
I thought the issue was whether Australia had committed acts of genocide.
The definition of “genocide” in the Genocide Convention is as follows:
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy , in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) killing members of ...[text shortened]... e) forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
Kruger v Cth. 1997, Dawson J.
(b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group… YES
(c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part… YES
(d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group…YES
(e) forcibly transferring children of the group to another group… YES
i havent seen the video, work PC will not let me, And I am not saying or condoning a soldier’s bad judgment. But after you are on the battle field killing and seeing your friends die you become desensitized to other forms of humiliation. Its kind of like, put things in perspective, they didn’t shoot the kid and if they did how much of your sensitivity level would change? you would probably be writing the same hate messages on some forum thinking that your words made someone’s life any different…
Get over that ONE mans short coming on that ONE day… judge him of the limited film on the internet and put a label on everyone in uniform. Yup your have all proven that you are above some stupid (possibly made up) video
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Originally posted by dfm65No need to be so defensive...of course the koori (thanks for the new word drdon) suffered genocide...whether their murderers considered themselves British or Australian is irrelevant (though added incentive to remove the Queen of England from your state apparatus)...I can't think of a single colonised country where genocide didn't take place...South Africa, South America, North America, the non-Chinese parts of China...even Sweden, up in Lapland...Mother Russia...(there must be an exception, help me people)...Just accept the unpalatable facts and deal with them as best you can...Look for the odd glimmer of light in that historical night...
It is true that Aboriginals were denied the vote until a few decades ago, and that was wrong, but universal suffrage has not been around in most of the rest of the world for very long either, and also it's a long way from 'genocide'.
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Originally posted by Bosse de NageNo, don't tell me you are adapting this writing style now? I can't read it
No need to be so defensive...of course the koori (thanks for the new word drdon) suffered genocide...whether their murderers considered themselves British or Australian is irrelevant (though added incentive to remove the Queen of England from your state apparatus)...I can't think of a single colonised country where genocide didn't take place...South Af ...[text shortened]... deal with them as best you can...Look for the odd glimmer of light in that historical night...
when it's all jumbled up like that, and I usually find your posts worthwhile
(if not always agreeable). Oh, bloody hell. 😞