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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"Atheism is not a form of man-made worship.'

Then, what is it?
It is not believing in greater being as a creator. Is not believing in Santa Clause or the Boogy Man a religion in your little mind GB?


My pastor at the First Church of Atheism hates when it is called a religion, I do too.

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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"Atheism is not a form of man-made worship.'

Then, what is it?
A lack of belief in any gods.


Originally posted by SwissGambit

A lack of belief in any gods.
Do you, then, place your confidence in a creature lesser than the gods, such as some professor or yourself? If not, isn't somewhat
difficult with confidence in no one and no thing? Wouldn't a guy's boat drift aimlessly if lacking any compass or rudder?

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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Do you, then, place your confidence in a creature lesser than the gods, such as some professor or yourself? If not, isn't somewhat
difficult with confidence in no one and no thing? Wouldn't a guy's boat drift aimlessly if lacking any compass or rudder?
Are you of the mind that if a person doesn't fear eternal damnation they would have no moral compass? Are you of the mind that a person MUST fear burning in Hell for eternity or rewards of eternal life to live as a good person?

That would be very sad indeed, and doesn't say much for humans as a species.


Originally posted by Phlabibit
My pastor at the First Church of Atheism hates when it is called a religion, I do too.
I will NOT be putting in a good word for you when I am in heaven! 😛

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Originally posted by Phlabibit
Are you of the mind that if a person doesn't fear eternal damnation they would have no moral compass? Are you of the mind that a person MUST fear burning in Hell for eternity or rewards of eternal life to live as a good person?

That would be very sad indeed, and doesn't say much for humans as a species.
Some, live their hell here on earth.

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Originally posted by Phlabibit

Are you of the mind that if a person doesn't fear eternal damnation they would have no moral compass? Are you of the mind that a person MUST fear burning in Hell for eternity or rewards of eternal life to live as a good person?

That would be very sad indeed, and doesn't say much for humans as a species.
Your words, not mine.

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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Your words, not mine.
I see no problem with what I've deduced from your statement on moral compasses, and won't waste any energy asking you to clarify what you've said if my point made doesn't satisfy your expectation of what exactly you actually implied.


Originally posted by Very Rusty
I will NOT be putting in a good word for you when I am in heaven! 😛
By definition, if you're there at all it would NOT be "Heaven".

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Originally posted by Very Rusty
Some, live their hell here on earth.
Turn on the news, far too many perhaps.

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5 posts in a row would be in poor taste.

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Originally posted by Phlabibit
By definition, if you're there at all it would NOT be "Heaven".
You have no idea!

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Originally posted by Phlabibit
Turn on the news, far too many perhaps.
I do watch the news.

I also help where it is needed more than most folks, I might add.

How much have you helped? Even a little would be nice to hear.


Originally posted by Phlabibit
I see no problem with what I've deduced from your statement on moral compasses, and won't waste any energy asking you to clarify what you've said if my point made doesn't satisfy your expectation of what exactly you actually implied.
*"The sects that exist in the United States are innumerable, yet all sects preach the same moral law in the name of God." -Alexis de Tocqueville

Roll it back to where we came in. A visitor from France (I think) visited The United States during the mid-1800's. Conclusions he reached and recorded regarding "morale law" underpinning of our country's uniqueness and prosperity have been read, pondered, taught, debated and praised for a century and a half by thoughtful students of history in this country and abroad. All of this seemed pertinent and timely enough to merit a thread, as we prepare to celebrate the 4th on Wednesday. What you choose to "deduce" and run with is strictly your business and none of ours. Taking it to the Debate Forum may produce positive feedback to your point of view, with which you'll be pleased. Happy 4th of July across the USA!

-gb