Brexit reflections so far

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
So leaving the E.U. has benefited the UK because. . . .

Are you wording your question using the tense "has benefitted" deliberately? As in: how has the UK benefitted since 24 June? Or did you mean, 'how will the UK benefit'?

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Why ask you? because you seem to know something about it.

I have asked several people and they so far have failed to cite a single tangible benefit.

Divegeester put your cynicism aside, please.

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The link that you provided is a steaming pile of conjecture, what if's and could be. Lets look at the facts.

In 2015 the UK government paid £13 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £8.5 billion.

Each year the UK gets an instant discount on its contributions to the EU—the ‘rebate’—worth almost £5 billion last year. Without it the UK would have been liable for £18 billion in contributions.

Being in the EU costs money but does it also create trade, jobs and investment that are worth more?

We can be pretty sure about how much cash we put in, but it’s far harder to be sure about how much, if anything, comes back in economic benefits.

“There is no definitive study of the economic impact of the UK’s EU membership or the costs and benefits of withdrawal”,as the House of Commons Library says.

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

So it seems that you cannot make any economic case on contributions to the E.U. alone for there are other economic factors created which are unquantified and which benefit the UK in tangible economic terms.

Do you have any reason that can be established by fact?

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Sorry I am not interested in making debate personal if you don't mind and clearly membership fee isn't the same as the economic cost or benefit so do you have any other reasons. Here I will help you.

Leaving the E.U. is good for the U.K because . . . . .

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I have already answered this please don't be a tedious fellow, there's a good chap.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am neither for [Brexit] or against it, I merely want to understand it.

If you genuinely "want to understand it", what's with the facile 'banter' type question five days after the referendum? ...

"So leaving the E.U. has benefited the UK because...."

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have asked several people and they so far have failed to cite a single tangible benefit.

Is devolving control over a range of political issues and factors away from centralized European decision-making back to full UK control not a "tangible benefit"?

Originally posted by FMF
If you genuinely "want to understand it", what's with the facile 'banter' type question five days after the referendum? ...

"So leaving the E.U. has benefited the UK because...."

Sorry I am uninterested in your attempts to make the discussion personal. Please try to refrain from doing so in future,

Originally posted by FMF
Is devolving control over a range of political issues and factors away from centralized European decision-making back to full UK control not a "tangible benefit"?

In what way, you have not said and infact the converse could be true that the E.U. would spend money and develop initiatives where the U.K government might not. Decentralisation therefore cannot be considered in any shape or form a tangible benefit in itself and its simply nonsense to proffer that it is.

So leaving the E.U. has benefited the UK because...

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
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We can be pretty sure about how much cash we put in, but it’s far harder to be sure about how much, if anything, comes back in economic benefits.

So it seems that you cannot make any economic case on contributions to the E.U. alone for there are other economic factors created which are unquantified and which benefit the UK in tangible economic terms.

Do you have any reason that can be established by fact?

Yes. If the UK economy were to fail, the EU would be treaty-bound to bail you out, as the EU has done for Greece. If the UK leaves, there is no more safety net.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Decentralisation therefore cannot be considered in any shape or form a tangible benefit in itself and its simply nonsense to proffer that it is.

If devolved political power to a smaller constituency, so to speak, where people might then hope to exert more democratic control over those they elect to govern them with regard to matters that affect their everyday lives, is not a "tangible benefit", then you perhaps need to define what you think the term "tangible benefit" might refer to or include, and what doesn't qualify as a "tangible benefit" to your way of thinking.