Originally posted by hopscotchIts ok. I didn't read his post.
Well put!
I'd very much like to see a poll done to establish how many people have smoked weed in the past and never used any harder drugs. We could probably do a poll right here on rhp. Ivanhoe's copy/pasted propaganda do nothing but promote a continuation of the argument against such ridiculous conservative crap. It's ironic that through his own ignora ...[text shortened]... nowledge of the truths about weed as we all waste our time arguing with this unstinting fool.
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Originally posted by NordlysAre you saying that Hitler was a good man?
Other ideologies, like national socialism. Or blind trust in a person who tells you what to do (this one usually goes together with ideologies, but can also be separate).
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[Edit] Me: ""There will always be good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things, but for a good person to do an evil thing requires religion." "
Originally posted by RagnorakNo, of course not (although I don't believe anyone is born evil, but I won't go into that discussion now). But I believe there were a lot of basically good people (people who wouldn't have done evil things if they had lived in a different political system) who believed in national socialism and did evil things because of that.
Are you saying that Hitler was a good man?
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[Edit] Me: ""There will always be good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things, but for a good person to do an evil thing requires religion." "
Originally posted by NordlysAh yes, good point.
But I believe there were a lot of basically good people (people who wouldn't have done evil things if they had lived in a different political system) who believed in national socialism and did evil things because of that.
But it could be argued that the fact that most religions teach that people who practice their religion are better than people who practice other religions, therefore making atrocities easier to commit against other people, ie: jewish, etc.
But I will cede that your point is a good one.
Anyway, back on topic, ever get high?
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Originally posted by RagnorakWhat defines a good person? His actions, feelings or thoughts, or all of the above.
Are you saying that Hitler was a good man?
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[Edit] Me: ""There will always be good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things, but for a good person to do an evil thing requires religion." "
If a person has bad feelings and urges to do bad things but controls them, then, generally, you could call them a good person. Their conscience allows them to distinguish between right and wrong.
Right and wrong are generally dictated by morals, which tend to stem from religion. Correct me if I'm wrong.
People's judgement between right and wrong can be clouded and twisted by factors such as religion and people that have a grip over them.
I don't think that it is so much religion doing the damage, but people using it as a destructive tool to gain power over others. This has happened over countless centuries, and been compounded by past attocities commited in the name of religion.
Is it not the people that use religion as the destructive tool that are evil and not the religion itself!?
Afterall, the majority of religious people are peaceful, peace loving beings.
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Originally posted by RagnorakI don't think most religions teach this, although there are probably groups (sometimes few and small groups, sometimes it may be the majority) within most religions which do so. But exactly the same happens in other ideologies, which is just my point.
Ah yes, good point.
But it could be argued that the fact that most religions teach that people who practice their religion are better than people who practice other religions, therefore making atrocities easier to commit against other people, ie: jewish, etc.
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"Anyway, back on topic, ever get high?"
No. Nor drunk.
Originally posted by jimslyp69Its a good post, but I have to take issue with a couple of points.
What defines a good person? His actions, feelings or thoughts, or all of the above.
If a person has bad feelings and urges to do bad things but controls them, then, generally, you could call them a good person. Their conscience allows them to distinguish between right and wrong.
Right and wrong are generally dictated by morals, which tend to stem from re ...[text shortened]... gion itself!?
Afterall, the majority of religious people are peaceful, peace loving beings.
"Right and wrong are generally dictated by morals, which tend to stem from religion. Correct me if I'm wrong."
I disagree completely with this. I heard a evangelical minister say this before. But, by saying this, you are saying that atheists are amoral, and so I'd be unable to make decisions based on morality. Surely, every sane person would know that killing somebody else is wrong without having to learn that moral from religion. I think this is a weak argument which, when made by religious people is a form of moral superiority coming through, ie: I'm better than you because of my religion.
"Is it not the people that use religion as the destructive tool that are evil and not the religion itself!?"
The quote didn't say that religion itself was evil. But seeing as religion is only sustained through people, then its a murky distinction. If everybody on the planet sustained amnesia today and all churches were wiped off the planet, would christianity still exist?
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Originally posted by NordlysOf course they do.
I don't think most religions teach this, although there are probably groups (sometimes few and small groups, sometimes it may be the majority) within most religions which do so.
Most religions are taught in a manner which tells you that this particular religion is right, and every other religion is wrong. Followers of other religions are described as misguided at best, or damned at worst (Just read some of the fundamentalists' posts in spirituality to see evidence of that attitude). Ergo: Followers of our religion are better than followers of other religions.
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Originally posted by RagnorakI have read enough posts in the Spirituality Forum, thanks... That's one of the groups I was talking about. And of course religious people generally believe their religion is right (with varying degrees of openness for the possibility that their belief might be wrong), but that doesn't necessarily mean that they believe that followers of their religion are better people. As for describing people with other beliefs than your own as misguided, that's something many atheists do as well. I even do this myself when it comes to certain religious groups (or when describing myself at a certain stage of my life, a bit over twenty years ago). That doesn't mean I think I am better, and it certainly doesn't mean I don't see them as fully human and would do bad things to them.
Of course they do.
Most religions are taught in a manner which tells you that this particular religion is right, and every other religion is wrong. Followers of other religions are described as misguided at best, or damned at worst (Just read some of the fundamentalists' posts in spirituality to see evidence of that attitude). Ergo: Followers of our religion are better than followers of other religions.
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Originally posted by DeepThoughtCorrect
The biggest health risk with cannabis is emphysaemia due to the larger smoke particle sizes and stickier tar, when compared to tobacco smoke. You are only at any real risk of getting that if you smoke copious amounts over many years. That hazard goes away entirely if you take it some other way.
They've desperately been trying to establish some probl h cannabis frankly is that you lose a couple of years of your life in an incompetent haze.
Originally posted by hopscotchHey kids, after smoking weed for a while, I tried smack (smoked) and blow, not to mention Es and whizz, but they all had a horrible effect on me (except E, but I couldn't stand how stupid people acted on it), so I did not like them, and did not try them again. I still smoke weed, although in all honesty you'd probably be better off drinking herbal tea and cycling like Lance Armstrong. (You might consider taking a few mushrooms in your tea some time).
I'd very much like to see a poll done to establish how many people have smoked weed in the past and never used any harder drugs.