Originally posted by Very RustyIn an earlier post I made it very clear that I mean it when I say 'Good luck'. I'd appreciate it that you would confirm that you do not consider me dishonest.
To say "Good Luck" if you do not actually wish your opponent good luck, may be seen by some as common courtesy, to me it is dishonest, if you do not truly wish your opponent good luck.
Originally posted by rbmorrisCivility costs nothing and can make your day slightly nicer.
War is war, loser.
Why are you so aggresive? Something being repressed?
And frankly, if you think that playing chess on a website is war, then look in the papers, or watch and listen to the news... consider the fuller picture and then put this into true context.
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Originally posted by Very RustyI was a tournament leader once. And when I introduced the first round, the last thing I said was "Then, good luck to you all!"
You are indeed very polite ! Just for the hell of it, now when you say "best of Luck" do you really mean it, like deep down in your heart of hearts??
Or should I say: "Good luck to half of you, which half of which you belong is up to you!"?
Originally posted by surtismwhat is it exactly that you mean when you say good luck before a chess game? it is not a game of chance, so presumably you do not mean it literally. but it is problematic if you mean something like 'i hope the game goes well for you', since your every move will be calculated to make the game go as badly as possible for your opponent. in other words, your actions will belie your words. so, given your protestations of sincerity, what is it that you mean? imho, the communicative purpose of these words is to indicate a particular attitude - that you bear your opponent no real ill-will, even though you desire his defeat, and perhaps also that you intend to play in a fair and friendly manner, and that playing a good game in a good spirit is what you value, rather than winning at all costs.
In an earlier post I made it very clear that I mean it when I say 'Good luck'. I'd appreciate it that you would confirm that you do not consider me dishonest.
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I see where mikelom and Mahout are coming from but I really can't agree that I was the one being confrontational. I'll agree my first reply could have been more polite but considering I'd just had a nice message spat back in my face, I could also have been a lot ruder.
I also didn't trade insults with him, I spent 5 messages trying to explain myself and work out why he was so upset and only insulted him after 5 offensive messages from his side. I'm no angel but I still believe that neither my first message, nor any of the ones following it deserved the reaction they got.
EDIT - first attempt seemed to have disappeared.
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Originally posted by jonnytDuring the course of trying to explain yourself you managed to make the following remarks:
I see where mikelom and Mahout are coming from but I really can't agree that I was the one being confrontational. I'll agree my first reply could have been more polite but considering I'd just had a nice message spat back in my face, I could also have been a lot ruder.
I also didn't trade insults with him, I spent 5 messages trying to explain myself and wo lowing it deserved the reaction they got.
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are you being sarcastic?
I won't bother again.
I have never met anyone on this site as rude as you
you have some ridiculous rule
What is it you find so hard to understand?
I can see that you obviously have something wrong with you, maybe a mental problem
Maybe you could practice some basic grammar as well?
I would argue that these express your anger and could easily be construed as insulting.
Also -on the last point, I'm not sure if your question mark at the end of a statement was a grammatical error on your part or if you did this for comic effect. I know I make often make grammatical errors in forum posts despite making an effort and I certainly don't think less of anyone for poor grammar - especially on an international site.
Now I'm not saying your comments were unreasonable given the other side of the conversation but to me they don't represent a sincere attempt to clear up any misunderstanding and smooth things over.
You could have just politely answered the first question about why you hadn't messaged until now but instead you chose to make an indignant response. You know your opponent is easily offended (why else would he be upset by your message) so why rattle his cage.
If you put confrontational comments in your messages you should expect someone to respond to that and perhaps overlook the more reasoned side of your argument.
Originally posted by surtismNice! Wrecked! 🙂
In every game that I start as white I always say something along the lines of 'Hello, best of luck'.
I do this because I'm English, and therefore incredibly polite, but due to the fact that if I were to play any of you in real life (scary thought - the outside World) then I would shake your hand and wish you luck. Why should playing on the Tinternet make us barbaric and forget our manners?
But thats just me!
Originally posted by icantwriteOnly if you're boorish enough or insecure enough to take it that way.
Actually wishing someone luck could appear rude. If you think about it, you're almost saying 'good luck, because I've checked your public games and you're going to need it'. I wish players good luck, but only because it seems to be a standard thing to do.
But you're right here, it *is* the standard thing to do, the *proper* thing to do, and, not so long ago, the *expected* thing to do. This "good luck" wish is proper Chess Etiquette. In OTB tourneys, you're expected to at least shake your ooponents' hand and mumble some sort of greeting to them, which often takes the form "Good Luck." I know this is "teh internetz",and not OTB, but there's no reason one can't be civil to your opponent, without whom you wouldn't be playing at all.
I say lose the semantics of whether your good luck wish is truth or a lie and focus on greeting your opponents with some respect.
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Originally posted by MahoutI don't want to flog a dead horse but the first and fifth lines you quote are genuine questions and the last two are from my final message where I fully admit I had got to the end of my tether and was responding in kind. Which leaves me calling him rude (which most people seem to agree with me on) and questioning his personal 'rule' about no chatting after the first move. Ok, so I didn't need to use the word ridiculous but that hardly makes our exchange tit-for-tat.
During the course of trying to explain yourself you managed to make the following remarks:
[b]are you being sarcastic?
I won't bother again.
I have never met anyone on this site as rude as you
you have some ridiculous rule
What is it you find so hard to understand?
I can see that you obviously have something wrong with you, maybe a mental problem
Maybe you could practice some basic grammar as well?
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Of course, if someone is rude to you, you can placate them ad-infinitum but there is surely a point at which you lose your rag?
The reason for posting the conversation was not to have people agree with every single post I made and disagree with every one of his but to gauge the general opinion on when it is appropriate to message your opponent. I didn't want to be accused of giving only one side of the story so I copied in everything I wrote, even the stuff I admit in hindsite I'm not proud of.
Maybe if someone slapped you, you'd offer the other cheek again and again but I'm afraid I'm a little less perfect and after a few slaps, I'd punch them in the face...
EDIT: I have since convinced my opponent that we should continue the game with no more chats. Yes, of course I should have done this earlier but was genuinely intruiged as to what had upset him.
Originally posted by jonnytThe important thing is... did you beat him or not?
I don't want to flog a dead horse but the first and fifth lines you quote are genuine questions and the last two are from my final message where I fully admit I had got to the end of my tether and was responding in kind. Which leaves me calling him rude (which most people seem to agree with me on) and questioning his personal 'rule' about no chatting after th ...[text shortened]... I should have done this earlier but was genuinely intruiged as to what had upset him.
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