Originally posted by reader1107Exactly, that's my point - schools can only do so much, and if they don't punish students breaking not only school rules, but federal law, it will open the door for rampant drug use at the school.
How about "if you commit a felony you've already chosen to mess up your entire future." Being sent to an alternative educational program rather than prison is a great gift. Expecting schools to be social workers and rehab facilities while still expecting every student to score high on bogus tests mandated by the president and taxpayers is only fine if y ...[text shortened]... le unless the testing is eliminated and the schools are given much more legal authority.
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Originally posted by arrakisThey do too. I took a lot of speed at school once (accident--it was only meant to be a little), walked into the library, and some guys were playing chess.
Kids don't play chess well when they are high. 😉
"JRambo! We're playing speed chess!"
I said "lol", then beat them.
Kids don't play chess well while drunk.
Originally posted by cmsMasterI don't say they shouldn't punish them, but I don't think this specific punishment is a good solution. It seems very unlikely that it will be effective. And as someone else said, the students will probably not even see it as punishment, but will be glad to get rid of school. Also, punishment alone won't do - they need help to find better things to do and to solve their problems. That cannot or can only partly be the school's job, but the school should help the student and xyr parents to find the right help, and they shouldn't work against the helpers by making the student's situation even more difficult than it already is. As for breaking federal law, it's not the school's job to deal with that either, they should leave that to the police.
Exactly, that's my point - schools can only do so much, and if they don't punish students breaking not only school rules, but federal law, it will open the door for rampant drug use at the school.
Originally posted by NordlysIDK if the police were involved - but by involving them things would only be worse for the kid.
I don't say they shouldn't punish them, but I don't think this specific punishment is a good solution. It seems very unlikely that it will be effective. And as someone else said, the students will probably not even see it as punishment, but will be glad to get rid of school. Also, punishment alone won't do - they need help to find better things to do and to ...[text shortened]... 's not the school's job to deal with that either, they should leave that to the police.
Originally posted by NordlysTrue; the falling asleep is not out of boredom but rather annoying biological necessity, but I haven't taken such crazy measures in a while, mostly because I don't know where to get them lately.
Pity; although maths is fascinating enough in itself.
Actually, some parts of maths are as fascinating as fascinating gets; others are incredibly boring and silly, although I think these are rare.
Originally posted by royalchickenSometimes sleeping helps you to solve a problem, though. If you are stuck, that can be the best thing to do. If you are lucky, you'll wake up with the solution in your head.
True; the falling asleep is not out of boredom but rather annoying biological necessity, but I haven't taken such crazy measures in a while, mostly because I don't know where to get them lately.
Actually, some parts of maths are as fascinating as fascinating gets; others are incredibly boring and silly, although I think these are rare.
Originally posted by NordlysThat's also very true. I've wondered if this phenomenon is related to dreaming. In the case of maths, the dreams I've had are usually mostly nonsensical, but "sleeping on it" is certainly helpful. In thinking about other things, the dreams tend to approximate the real ideas more closely, and the sleep is less directly helpful (ie maths is extremely sleep-sensitive to think about compared to the other things I think about). I'm not sure why this is, though.
Sometimes sleeping helps you to solve a problem, though. If you are stuck, that can be the best thing to do. If you are lucky, you'll wake up with the solution in your head.
Originally posted by royalchickenI never thought about that, but I think it might be true for me as well. But it could also simply be because that kind of searching for a solution mostly happens in maths. There's something else I have noticed - I have never woken up with a solution (or a name or word I couldn't come up with the evening before) in my head and remembered a dream about it. I may remember dreams in which I am finding solutions for something or having great insights, but in those cases I'll only remember that I dreamed about it, but not the solution or insight itself (or it just won't make any sense anymore). So I wonder if the real solution-finding during sleep may be a different process than dreaming.
That's also very true. I've wondered if this phenomenon is related to dreaming. In the case of maths, the dreams I've had are usually mostly nonsensical, but "sleeping on it" is certainly helpful. In thinking about other things, the dreams tend to approximate the real ideas more closely, and the sleep is less directly helpful (ie maths is extremely s ...[text shortened]... hink about compared to the other things I think about). I'm not sure why this is, though.
Originally posted by NordlysAre schools now suppose to enforce drug policy, and provide treatment?
I was talking about the school, not you. It sounds like they treat them like hopeless cases. Instead of working on the problem, they just get rid of the kids. If they are sent to a different school instead, it may not be illegal, but how does it help?
Originally posted by cheshirecatstevensWhy not? Its the age that most people start experimenting with drugs. Why wait for someone to hit their late teens, early twenties, before they receive help and advice. A lot of the time its to late by then, you are firmly rooted in the culture of drugs.
Are schools now suppose to enforce drug policy, and provide treatment?