@js357 saidAre you trying to start a holy war here?
Which is correct, or is another word correct after ‘different’?
While at it, which is correct, ‘none of them is here’ or ‘none of them are here’?
I tend to think of myself as rather decent at grammar, but there are still certain issues I have...
1) "Jim and I were there."
2) "I and Jim were there."
3) "Jim and me were there."
4) "Me and Jim were there."
Now, I believe (1) and (2) are the correct sentences. But (2) sounds seriously affected and I almost never hear such a thing spoken. Instead of (2) most people go for (4), whereas (1) and (3) are more or less considered normal on the street.
In German it is almost always more clear-cut.
@soothfast saidYou are correct.
Are you trying to start a holy war here?
I tend to think of myself as rather decent at grammar, but there are still certain issues I have...
1) "Jim and I were there."
2) "I and Jim were there."
3) "Jim and me were there."
4) "Me and Jim were there."
Now, I believe (1) and (2) are the correct sentences. But (2) sounds seriously affected and I almost never h ...[text shortened]... ) are more or less considered normal on the street.
In German it is almost always more clear-cut.
#1 and #2 are grammatically correct.
#2 is considered impolite.
@handyandy saidThey need restoration?
Yes, I have several, but none of them is available to display.
Living language that evolves according to usage is a really important concept. Particularly because it will evolve differently in different regions and therefore, whether intended or not results in selective employment on grounds of perceived correctness. It is only relatively recently that the BBC started to use announcers and link people with regional accents. I was told by a teacher who I would guess trained in the 1950s that she had to do elocution lessons to be able to train in London as a result of a northern accent.
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@petewxyz saidMy dad had elocution lessons. He was from Halifax and became a french teacher.
Living language that evolves according to usage is a really important concept. Particularly because it will evolve differently in different regions and therefore, whether intended or not results in selective employment on grounds of perceived correctness. It is only relatively recently that the BBC started to use announcers and link people with regional accents. I was told b ...[text shortened]... that she had to do elocution lessons to be able to train in London as a result of a northern accent.
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@neilarini saidExactly. It's like being told that, for example, different use of 'the' that you might get in Yorkshire makes you less fit to teach. It may even make you better at engaging with kids than people who are perceived as doing it the correct way.
My dad had elocution lessons. He was from Halifax and became a french teacher.
Edit: In Lancashire you get 'Will you not be going?'. Is that less correct than 'Won't you be going?'
@very-rusty saidSir, we didn't take you as the type who knew much about anything.
You didn't take me as the type that would know much about swinger's lines. 😉
-VR
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou might be surprised oh cocky one! 😛 😉
Sir, we didn't take you as the type who knew much about anything.
You never seem to speak for yourself. It is always 'we' this or 'we' that, can't you say anything without having a 'we' in it. Who are these people who you call 'we'?
-VR
@very-rusty saidFair enough.
You might be surprised oh cocky one! 😛 😉
You never seem to speak for yourself. It is always 'we' this or 'we' that, can't you say anything without having a 'we' in it. Who are these people who you call 'we'?
-VR
I didn't take you as the type who knew much about anything.