@indonesia-phil saidI think it is me who is saying that an increase in strategic funding includes more pay for doctors which would constitute one component of it.
you say that they are actually disguising their demands for more pay beneath a pretense of wanting an increase in strategic funding. What...?
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@fmf saidSoldiers don't have the right to strike, what's more important doctors or the military? I do agree with Dive that starting off with 35% is bonkers, say 10% with guaranteed raises over the next x amount of years.
On the contrary, I think I am being straightforward: is their pay too low? Yes. Has negotiating and not striking advanced their cause? No. Do they have the right to strike? Yes.
That would have been more reasonable and perhaps opened a dialogue before striking.
In the end, anyone hired by the government can expect to be shafted.
@a-unique-nickname saidHow cheap have you sold your time for?
They should be happy for 10 tins of beans, people starving all over the world.
@a-unique-nickname saidStriking is a political act. No political acts from the military please.
Soldiers don't have the right to strike, what's more important doctors or the military?
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@a-unique-nickname saidI think starting of with 35% is good, modest even. If they started off with 10% as you suggest, they'd end up with LESS than last year. Ha ha. Which pro-privatization corporate teat are you sucking and shilling for? Ha ha.
I do agree with Dive that starting off with 35% is bonkers, say 10% with guaranteed raises over the next x amount of years.
@a-unique-nickname saidYour stance is tremulous suburban mush.
That would have been more reasonable and perhaps opened a dialogue before striking.
@a-unique-nickname saidYeah. Give in to it. Undermine them with your "10%" suggestion. The government is not on the side of the public sector workers nor on the side of the consumers of health services. But public sector workers are. The side you have taken is clear.
In the end, anyone hired by the government can expect to be shafted.
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As someone who's had direct contact with union negotiators, I'm familiar with the process. First the ambit claim, set at a totally ridiculous level, such as 10 hours work per week or 12 weeks paid annual leave, to intimidate employers and soften them up. Then the employer association offers just a 2% rise as their ambit claim. Then comes the noisy strike to annoy the public and give the media something to play with. Then the white knight (union negotiator) achieves a 5% rise and everyone thinks they've won something. Not what they were hoping for, but ...
The ambit claim bit is a necessary step. You're not supposed to take its numbers seriously.
@fmf saidDive is of a similar bent / He has tory values/ He,s all right jack so feck the rest/the countrys on fire and Dives warming his feet.
Yeah. Give in to it. Undermine them with your "10%" suggestion. The government is not on the side of the public sector workers nor on the side of the consumers of health services. But public sector workers are. The side you have taken is clear.
@badradger saiddivegeester has more integrity and decency than you, regardless of his views. You are a scummy nobody posting disinhibited adolescent trash on the internet
Dive is of a similar bent / He has tory values/ He,s all right jack so feck the rest/the countrys on fire and Dives warming his feet.
@fmf saidsays the man with a big bag of mouldy onions.
divegeester has more integrity and decency than you, regardless of his views. You are a scummy nobody posting disinhibited adolescent trash on the internet
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@fmf saidWith inflation they'd be daft to accept anything less than 10%, that's what I meant... demanding 35%, which is an impossible figure given the state the NHS is in and the money lost over Covid and Brexit doesn't help anyone.
I think starting of with 35% is good, modest even. If they started off with 10% as you suggest, they'd end up with LESS than last year. Ha ha. Which pro-privatization corporate teat are you sucking and shilling for? Ha ha.
In my opinion which albeit doesn't count for much large sectors of the NHS should be privatised, I'd rather pay an insurance policy and get an MRI scan when needed rather than waiting 9 months on the NHS.